Help with Dbol/test first cycle ?

Howzit guys, im new to this forum and would appreciate any advise regarding my cycle...

I have done a ton of research and have decided my first cycle will look something like this:

Weeks 1-10: 500mgs test E or cyp (will inject 250mgs Mon and 250mgs thurs)
Weeks 1-4: Dbol @ 20mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Proviron @ 50mg ED

i have a box of nolva on hand for any gyno related sides but im hoping the proviron will be enough to prevent them whilst keeping a bit of the water off...

PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20

feel free to make adjustments... i know test can take from 4-5 weeks to kick in and in order to save some cash i wondered if for the first four weeks i could get away with 250mgs then up the dose accordingly to 500mgs for the duration of the cycle? As its my first cycle would it not make sense that i start at the lower dose and work myself up from there?, or am i being completely stupid? lol

Hi Mr T

Keep the test dosage constant. as you said, the effects will only be noticeable after 4 or 5 weeks. increasing to 500 after this time would have you waiting 4-5 to feel the additional benefits of the increased test.

Your pct will start either 30 or 36 days after your last pin for enanthate and cyp respectively. your pct looks fine. another pct option is 100mg Clomid for 7 days followed by 20mg nolva for 30 days.

You can run proviron from the either last pin to the day before pct or from week 8 to pct start. not during.

20mg dbol is a bit low, you can up that to 40 or 50mg.

Any reason you didn't opt for letro or a-dex for controlling oestrogen?

Hey bro looks like your good to go. Just add clomid to pct the way hectic suggested and everything is sorted.

Do you mind posting your stats? eg. height, weight, age...

Okay cool thanks for the replys!

ill up the dose of my dianabol to 30mgs and see how i go from there, the test at 500mgs from the start definitely makes sense so ill do that instead and ill try to get my hands on some clomid...

the reason i chose proviron is because im under the impression that it increases the effectiveness of the test whilst keeping off water gains (to a certain extent), i believe that although a-dex would be better for overall estrogen control and bloat it would hinder possible gains...

so looking at the pro's and con's of each i decided to go with proviron

@Heretic47 why do you recommend not taking the proviron throughout the cycle?

Height 1m 74
Weight 65kgs
Age 24
BF% +- 10%

i started training two years ago at 49 kgs lol have come really far but havent made any decent progress in the past three months hence the AAS

E A T !

Mr T wrote: Okay cool thanks for the replys!

ill up the dose of my dianabol to 30mgs and see how i go from there, the test at 500mgs from the start definitely makes sense so ill do that instead and ill try to get my hands on some clomid...

the reason i chose proviron is because im under the impression that it increases the effectiveness of the test whilst keeping off water gains (to a certain extent), i believe that although a-dex would be better for overall estrogen control and bloat it would hinder possible gains...

so looking at the pro's and con's of each i decided to go with proviron

@Heretic47 why do you recommend not taking the proviron throughout the cycle?

Height 1m 74
Weight 65kgs
Age 24
BF% +- 10%

i started training two years ago at 49 kgs lol have come really far but havent made any decent progress in the past three months hence the AAS

You could gain alot more naturally without steriods, the reason you stopped gaining is because your not eating enough. Post your diet so we can all check it out.

You can use proviron throughout your cycle.

I have to agree with these 2. you really don't need steroids yet. you have so much natural potential still left to be tapped.

Me for instance, started training in my light 50's and only hit my first cycle at 78/79 kilo's and my height is only 1.71m.

As for proviron, it can be used through the cycle, I just feel it's better utilized later in the cycle when gains start to stagnate as a result of your body fighting to maintain homeostasis.

you'll still need an AI if gyno raises it's ugly nipple. I'd shy away from nolva on cycle as it's also damaging to the liver and has a negative effect. on igf-1

i really don't think i could eat much more than i'm currently consuming here's my diet...

meal 1
1 cup oats and 4 eggs

Meal 2
2 potatoes(mashed) with a tin of tuna

Meal 3
2 pieces of haddock or any fish i have and brown rice

meal 4
dinner- steak/chicken/pasta with either rice or sweet potatoes

Meal 5
Protein shake and a banana

meal 6
cup of oats and four eggs

with meals 1,3,4 and 6 i have 1 tblspn of olive oil

i see what you guys are saying but i think i have my diet dialed down, although i'm open to any suggestions on how to improve it?

the key is to eat until you're full, then eat a little more. force feeding.

your always increasing your weight, so you would have to increase your calories. it's honestly the hardest part.

what are the weights of the foods? are your oats raw or cooked?

i see what you are saying the diet im currently on has most likely turned from a mass gaining one to a maintenance diet since ive put on the extra weight

its one cup of raw oats and i could quite easily increase my steak and chicken portions, im not sure about the haddock all i know is 2 pieces gets me 25g protein could i possibly up the olive oil to two tblspn a meal or will that be overdoing it on the fat side?

I think i could do that its just that i'm a seriously anxious person and just eating a meal in the first place is forcing for me, but as i said i will try!

just one question: is there any rush for you to put on size now? if not take at least 2 or 3 months extra to try and nail your eating. I guarantee you'll be surprised if you do it right.

You really should try to weigh your servings. That way it's easier to estimate what to increase. I'd opt for more carbs instead of the olive oil when bulking.

I'm assuming meal 6 is post workout. try to minimize your fats in this meal, it slows down the absorption of your nutrients.

It's a good thing your carbs are raw so you get more nutrients in. Most days I just blend that crap with some milk and swallow. Helps me get in even more than I normally would. solids first, liquids to wash down.

Most people won't agree with me but add a glass of milk after your meals. that way you force more calories into your body while stretching your stomach so that you can in turn consume more solids. it's a tedious cycle of constantly increasing.

Agree with the guys. There's still so much more room for you to grow at 60 odd kilos. Put on another 10kgs with a good diet and then consider some gear.

Heretic47 wrote: Hi Mr T

Keep the test dosage constant. as you said, the effects will only be noticeable after 4 or 5 weeks. increasing to 500 after this time would have you waiting 4-5 to feel the additional benefits of the increased test.

Your pct will start either 30 or 36 days after your last pin for enanthate and cyp respectively. your pct looks fine. another pct option is 100mg Clomid for 7 days followed by 20mg nolva for 30 days.

You can run proviron from the either last pin to the day before pct or from week 8 to pct start. not during.

20mg dbol is a bit low, you can up that to 40 or 50mg.

Any reason you didn't opt for letro or a-dex for controlling oestrogen?

Why cant you use proviron during cycle to a day before pct? I've been using proviron from the start of my cycle. I've noticed that it keeps me much leaner than my previous cycles. Water retention is extremely low, esp with dbol as it makes you retain water. Plus I've had a history of gyno going into my current cycle and the proviron has been keeping it at bay nicely.

I've read quite a few posts from the guys here stating that Proviron during cycle is quite beneficial

Aqueel wrote:

Heretic47 wrote: Hi Mr T

Keep the test dosage constant. as you said, the effects will only be noticeable after 4 or 5 weeks. increasing to 500 after this time would have you waiting 4-5 to feel the additional benefits of the increased test.

Your pct will start either 30 or 36 days after your last pin for enanthate and cyp respectively. your pct looks fine. another pct option is 100mg Clomid for 7 days followed by 20mg nolva for 30 days.

You can run proviron from the either last pin to the day before pct or from week 8 to pct start. not during.

20mg dbol is a bit low, you can up that to 40 or 50mg.

Any reason you didn't opt for letro or a-dex for controlling oestrogen?

Why cant you use proviron during cycle to a day before pct? I've been using proviron from the start of my cycle. I've noticed that it keeps me much leaner than my previous cycles. Water retention is extremely low, esp with dbol as it makes you retain water. Plus I've had a history of gyno going into my current cycle and the proviron has been keeping it at bay nicely.

I've read quite a few posts from the guys here stating that Proviron during cycle is quite beneficial

Aqueel, read my posts again. I've clarified my reason for suggesting it be added later.

I also feel that since it's the OP's first cycle he should use this opportunity to see how his body reacts. How else would you know if your sensitive to oestrogen if you have something that soothes it's effects from the start?

Ah yes ok I get what you saying. I guess I was just looking at it from my experience and previous cycles as im gyno prone. If gyno starts to creep up, just add in some letro and it'll work wonders.

Also remember, dbol makes you retain water so at a later stage, you can add in the proviron to combat that water retention