Help needed with a bulking cycle.

Juan.k
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18 Jun 2012 20:32 #109470 by Juan.k

Help needed with a bulking cycle. was created by Juan.k

Any advice or any cycles to bulk. Please.

20years old
73kg
1.73

Im training for just over 2years now and i have used some steroids before.
My last cycle was 6months ago for 8weeks.
Deca 100 2ml a week (monday&thur)
Sust 250 2ml a week. Monday&thur)
Dianabol 3xday
Proviron

I have done this cycle about 2 times .

The other cycle i did was
Hybrid ten6hundred
Testoviron
D-bol
Kessar.
Efa's
Milk thistle
It was a 8week cycle.
No pain or any bad effects with any of these cycles.

The gains was okay but could have been better.

Please help with a next bulking cycle.
My goal is to reach 80-85kg.

Thanks a lot.

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MRfeathers
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18 Jun 2012 21:08 #109482 by MRfeathers

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You sure you were eating enough bro. At 173 cm and 72kgs your'e very small for someone who's been on a cycle

keep calm and listen to Feathers

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Pyroclasm
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18 Jun 2012 21:19 #109486 by Pyroclasm

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You were running 200mg Deca a week that's a very low dose. The problem here was not the drugs but definately a lack of education.

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manery
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18 Jun 2012 21:21 #109488 by manery

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8 weeks is to short to cycle deca and sust. What did you use for PCT?

Post your diet, with those stats your definitely doing something wrong.

"There is no reason to have a plan B because it distracts from plan A" - Phil heath

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MRfeathers
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18 Jun 2012 21:21 #109489 by MRfeathers

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Yeah I dunno who told you to run deca for your first cycle anyway. Whoever it was, slap them. Stick around and learn something here mate

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Pyroclasm
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18 Jun 2012 21:31 #109495 by Pyroclasm

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Every single guy I know did 8 weeks deca-sus for their first cycle. What's up with that? But then for some reason they actually got good gains from it. My one mate got 12kgs from it!

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MRfeathers
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18 Jun 2012 21:54 #109501 by MRfeathers

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They were ill advised. What we've learnt here at AAS school is stick to the basics for 1st cycle. Von and Chapel each gained over 15kgs from just test. So why try and be fancy with other compounds? I also have a mate that did deca and sust for his 1st and got decent gains. I'm sure we'll do even better once you and i start our 1st one of these days pyro

keep calm and listen to Feathers

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Pyroclasm
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18 Jun 2012 22:01 - 18 Jun 2012 22:02 #109502 by Pyroclasm

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Yeah definately bro everyone is gonna try to be us! Definately not saying 8 weeks of Deca-Sus is the way to go just something I picked up. Was hoping someone could explain why it's so popular? Especially seeing that sus for virgin muscle must hurt like hell! And they are probably using Nomad sus too.

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Juan.k
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18 Jun 2012 22:03 #109503 by Juan.k

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My pct was clomid.

So the cycle was okay but maybe for longer? 12weeks?
The guy i bought my stuff from told me to do a 8week cycle,I dont think he really tries to help but rather make some money.
I gained about 10kgs but lost about 5kgs.

I have done research about cycles and steroids,but before i start a new bulking cycle,i came on this forum for some help and advice.

Thanks for responding.

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Muscleaddict
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18 Jun 2012 22:14 #109507 by Muscleaddict

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Juan first things first. Go and read DJ's stickies in the dieting section. You should learn how to eat to get big and keep your gains first. I wouldn't recommend anyone your size doing steroids without learning how to get big and lean first. You've heard it before I'm sure but it really is mostly about what you eat regardless of what steroids you're on.

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MRfeathers
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18 Jun 2012 22:14 #109508 by MRfeathers

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Let's see your diet 1st mate and we'll go from there. Post up what you eat in a day, gram for gram

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MRfeathers
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18 Jun 2012 22:15 #109509 by MRfeathers

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Ha ha you beat me to it muscleaddict

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manery
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18 Jun 2012 22:27 #109513 by manery

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Clomid by itself is not enough for pct.

"There is no reason to have a plan B because it distracts from plan A" - Phil heath

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Juan.k
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18 Jun 2012 22:43 #109518 by Juan.k

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Yes maybe my diet wasnt that good at the time i was on the cycle.

Breakfast 1cup oats 07:00
400ml mass gainer shake

09:00 fruit 2-3 bananas

11:00 3 medium chicken breasts and a cup of brown rice

12:00 tuna,400ml mass gainer shake

14:00 sweet potato big portion mash and half a chicken

15:00 fruit,avo's

My main meal is either pasta,steak,or chicken with potato's broccoli,pumpkin and desert some times ice cream.

I dont drink more than 3 cups of coffee a day

4litre water daily

Im still working on my diet,im getting there.

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Muscleaddict
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18 Jun 2012 22:55 - 18 Jun 2012 23:04 #109520 by Muscleaddict

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No way you are eating like that every day at your size. You eat half a chicken, 3 more breasts, tuna, 2 mass gainers plus a cup of oats, sweet potato AND mash AND rice all in 7 hours, and then you're only half way through the day and only 73kg?

Get yourself a scale to measure your macros to the gram, and calculate from the stickies what you need to get in each day and then let's have a look. Eating too much (even clean) suddenly and you will gain unwanted fat.

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Juan.k
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18 Jun 2012 23:36 #109523 by Juan.k

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I never tried this diet while i was on a cycle,a trainer at the gym gave me this diet to follow.

And now im looking to get back on a good bulking cycle.

I follow this diet only mon-fri.

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CHAPEL
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18 Jun 2012 23:56 #109524 by CHAPEL

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Juan.k wrote:
The gains was okay but could have been better.

ya cos your cycles were shite. K when did you finish your last cycle?

Go have a look at the beginner bulk cycle under articles because honestly that's where you need to start researching at least then take from there.

To you it may look like I just did a push-up... But in fact, I just bench-pressed the world.

"You put the devil on the other side and I will come to fight." -Royce Gracie

Its legs day, legs day, gotta get down on legs day.

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Juan.k
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18 Jun 2012 23:59 #109525 by Juan.k

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6months ago was my last cycle.

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CHAPEL
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19 Jun 2012 00:02 #109526 by CHAPEL

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cool then you should be good to go on another one, browse through the cycles and then just ask for opinions and people will chime in. (just saw it in write up, sorry)

good stuff

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Juan.k
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19 Jun 2012 00:04 #109527 by Juan.k

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Okay cool ,thanks a lot.

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iMan
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19 Jun 2012 00:18 - 19 Jun 2012 00:19 #109529 by iMan

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Juan.k wrote: I never tried this diet while i was on a cycle,a trainer at the gym gave me this diet to follow.

And now im looking to get back on a good bulking cycle.

I follow this diet only mon-fri.

Diet should be followed everyday, should be little different on non training days, but still pretty much the same calorie intake. Bud I am sorry, but I do not think you are ready for a cycle, not even this year. Make yourself a diet from the Diet sticky and follow that for the rest of the year. You will be amazed what results you will get out of it (i did). I have the same stats as you, except the weight part. Do you know your bf%?

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