Pyroclasm's Cycle Suggestion and Cycle Log

Lets face it you add equi there will be a difference.equi is not a harsh substance.so if you have the cash why not run it?

Hahaha @ vond...

@pyro: Lol bro! :lol: Not at all a waste, will be good. Dis nie nodig nie!! I promise you with dj you will the results you need on test only. I would rather invest that money in some more good food and maybe a pre-workout supp for the cycle...The eq is just adding more complexity to your cycle which imo is not needed because:
1: Dj diet=lean good gains
2: Longer cycle because of EQ thus more suppresive
3: Bigger pct needed, added aromasin because of the long cycle so you end up using even more compounds.

I know my opinion is not always well liked on this forum, but its up to you bro like I said, just my R9... :lol:

VonD wrote: Lets face it you add equi there will be a difference.equi is not a harsh substance.so if you have the cash why not run it?

How big of a difference do you think vonD?

It will differ from person to person but over 14 weeks 2kgs more.and a harder look to him

VonD wrote: It will differ from person to person but over 14 weeks 2kgs more.and a harder look to him

Its his first cycle bud, I dont think he should care too much about 2kgs and hardness. He can always harden up afterwards with good diet and 2kgs he can easily gain naturally...

I see your point going the conservative way and theres nothing wrong with that but i would do it.so its up to him.

No preasure :lol:

VonD wrote: I see your point going the conservative way and theres nothing wrong with that but i would do it.so its up to him.

No preasure :lol:

Agreed lol

It wouldn't be a waste, but it's not needed.

gorilla wrote:

VonD wrote: Lets face it you add equi there will be a difference.equi is not a harsh substance.so if you have the cash why not run it?

How big of a difference do you think vonD?

Nothing wrong with adding Equi to this cycle, I absolutely love the stuff. Hardness, fullness, thickness like nothing else gives. Not so much in terms of weight gain, but quality gains.

Koe007 wrote:

gorilla wrote:

VonD wrote: Lets face it you add equi there will be a difference.equi is not a harsh substance.so if you have the cash why not run it?

How big of a difference do you think vonD?

Nothing wrong with adding Equi to this cycle, I absolutely love the stuff. Hardness, fullness, thickness like nothing else gives. Not so much in terms of weight gain, but quality gains.

True, but its his first cycle?

What do you think is the minimum dose for EQ koe?

philip wrote:

MASSMONSTA wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:
remember to use HCG EOD during your cycle for the shrinkage of your nuts if you gonna be using EQUIP

is the hcg eod really needed cause i dont enjoy those injections and to have to do that during cycle and not just during pct would suck.
Was thinking of adding equip to my second cycle next year!

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philip wrote:

philip wrote:

MASSMONSTA wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:
remember to use HCG EOD during your cycle for the shrinkage of your nuts if you gonna be using EQUIP

is the hcg eod really needed cause i dont enjoy those injections and to have to do that during cycle and not just during pct would suck.
Was thinking of adding equip to my second cycle next year!

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Atrophy is dose dependant, I went up to 700mg/week with no atrophy. I don't add other substances unneccesarily, hence I won't add HCG with Equi.
350mg is sufficient dose for equipoise for a first cycle, I do not see why not add it, goal dependant ofcourse. Most first timers are just looking for the increased weight gain, if I knew back when I started what I know now I would take quality over quantity. Example Primo, Equipoise with Low dose test and proviron would have been my first cycle, low doses like 300mg Primo, 350mg Equi, 300mg Test Prop/Enanthate and 40mg Proviron.

Koe007 wrote:

philip wrote:

philip wrote:

MASSMONSTA wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:
remember to use HCG EOD during your cycle for the shrinkage of your nuts if you gonna be using EQUIP

is the hcg eod really needed cause i dont enjoy those injections and to have to do that during cycle and not just during pct would suck.
Was thinking of adding equip to my second cycle next year!

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Example Primo, Equipoise with Low dose test and proviron would have been my first cycle, low doses like 300mg Primo, 350mg Equi, 300mg Test Prop/Enanthate and 40mg Proviron.

That looks like a great idea for my second cycle,what period of time would you run those roids for ?

@Gorilla: I appreciate the advice bro and your opinion is your opinion.

I tend to agree with VonD and Koe here- if the Equi is going to give me more lean gains along with a harder look with no unmanageable sides then why not run it hey. I can maybe gain an extra 2kgs plus those extra two kgs Gorilla was talking about.

So! If I run the Equi, would 500mg/week be fine? And what is the strategy with the HCG on cycle then (if any)? Also will I be able to leave the aromasin out of my pct? It's kak expensive!

philip wrote:

Koe007 wrote:

philip wrote:

philip wrote:

MASSMONSTA wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:
remember to use HCG EOD during your cycle for the shrinkage of your nuts if you gonna be using EQUIP

is the hcg eod really needed cause i dont enjoy those injections and to have to do that during cycle and not just during pct would suck.
Was thinking of adding equip to my second cycle next year!

?

Example Primo, Equipoise with Low dose test and proviron would have been my first cycle, low doses like 300mg Primo, 350mg Equi, 300mg Test Prop/Enanthate and 40mg Proviron.

That looks like a great idea for my second cycle,what period of time would you run those roids for ?

15 weeks.

@Pyro 500mg Equi will be fine, check your nads about 6 weeks into cycle if there is lots of shrinkage add in HCG if you want at 500iu eod, why I don't like it is it gives me gyno by increasing my estrogen levels, then I have to use an AI which hinders gains and is added stress on the system. For PCT if you are doing Doc's leave it as is don't change anything.

Sorry for hijacking,but koe do you think 1ml EQ with 1-2ml Test wouldn be fine for a first cycle?

gorilla wrote: Sorry for hijacking,but koe do you think 1ml EQ with 1-2ml Test wouldn be fine for a first cycle?

If its PGW I'm assuming it's 350mg equi and 300-600mg test per week, I would do it as a first cycle, minimal sides and aromatising at that dose for most

Koe007 wrote:

gorilla wrote: Sorry for hijacking,but koe do you think 1ml EQ with 1-2ml Test wouldn be fine for a first cycle?

If its PGW I'm assuming it's 350mg equi and 300-600mg test per week, I would do it as a first cycle, minimal sides and aromatising at that dose for most

But then you have to do a longer cycle which is more suppresive?

I really like what ive read and heard about EQ, but 15-20 weeks is a bit long imo and the 54 day waiting period added to that...

Well guys do worse cycles and bounce back its just equipoise.what about guys using tren for 14weeks?they bounce back.if you want optimal results you need to sacrifice

Id rather do 10 weeks test 4 weeks winny 5 weeks pct then 20 weeks off then repeat, you get more cycles that way and better recovery means better gains kept.

Search some threads by doctari and you will see he says its much much better and he does evene shorter cycles!

Guess its a matter of personal preference...

No doubt in doc's knowledge but all deca,equi,tren e cycles are at least 14-16 weeks :whistle:

gorilla wrote: Id rather do 10 weeks test 4 weeks winny 5 weeks pct then 20 weeks off then repeat, you get more cycles that way and better recovery means better gains kept.

Search some threads by doctari and you will see he says its much much better and he does evene shorter cycles!

Guess its a matter of personal preference...

Just parroting what works for someone else does not automatically mean it is set in stone. By what reason or logic would you say that the test and winny cycle will yield better results simply because it's less suppressive, is it really less suppressive? I said 15 weeks test and equi your cycle above is 14 weeks and winny is much harsher on the system than Equipoise.

Test 10 weeks winny for 4 weeks bridge to pct...EQ 15 weeks and then another 8 weeks wait to pct.

Thats 14 weeks suppressed balls while on test and 23 while on eq for a first timer. I think that in a year period 3x 10 week test cycles with good bridges and kickers will yield better results than one big eq cycle - given you do time on+pct=time off.

But its up to you pyroclasm

Just my 6c...

Bud I agree with your idea of smaller cycles. But in a smaller cycle I would definately not use a longer ester like enanthate but rather some shorter esters like supertest. Especially for my first cycle with my virgin receptors I want to maximize gains and maybe not even need to do another cycle again. Remember my aim is not to get huge but to get lean. Also why can't you just stick to the rules of my thread and just do one comment for 2c and another for 5c that's close enough hey!

As much as you'd like to think your not going to do another cycle, you probably will...

Super test does have short esters in the mix but also longer esters so it would defeat the point of using it for a short cycle.

I honestly think you will be happy with just using test and the orals, why complicate things... you can save the EQ for your NEXT cycle