Sustanon or T cyp

I would like to start my cycle next week but I cant decide between sust or cyp, help me make the right decision. There will be no front loading, maybe bridging with Winny. Lean mass is the goal. Witch should i go with? both at 500mg and the sust would be pinned twice a week.

I have got another question. How realistic is it to gain muscle and drop bf on a test only cycle? Like 4/5 kg gain with 2% drop in body fat? I am currently 83.5 kgs at 14/15 % body fat. Oh and its basically my first cycle so my receptors are pretty fresh..

you just stopped a cycle..?

yeah close to a month a go. I was only on for 2 weeks.

You're too young to be doing steroids. Teenagers just need food. Your epiphyseal growth plates have not fused yet and doing aromatising steroids like testosterone will f#ck with your endocrine system and cause your growth plates to fuse. It's not a maybe, it will f#ck with you.

If you must do steroids then anavar and winstrol can be taken without causing your growth plates to fuse. It's not only height we're talking about, but also shoulder width and the length of all bones that are still growing. Oral only cycles aren't ever ideal but that's the safer way for you.

I am 6ft and have very broad shoulders, I don't have much growing to do. I will take into consideration what you've said. Thanks

manery wrote: I am 6ft and have very broad shoulders, I don't have much growing to do. I will take into consideration what you've said. Thanks

How old are you and what was the cycle you did-even if only for two weeks?

Agree with Addict on an oral only like turinabol or var that is least suppressive if you are going to do anything

19 years old

wk 1-2 500mg test cyp
wk 1-2 350mg test prop

I was doing some research on this whole closing of growth plates, it's actually because of the high estrogen levels that comes with test that closes growth plates and taking a AI throughout a cycle will lower estrogen to normal levels therefor no longer causing growth plates to close. Correct me if I am wrong?

manery wrote: I am 6ft and have very broad shoulders,

Okay then tiger! :woohoo:

You're too young to be doing steroids.




sorry for the hijack but what age do you say is ok to start a test cycle?

For a guy with broad shoulders @ 6f your not that heavy.i was 85 @ 1.78 when i did my first cycle in december.i am also 19.you should do more research and read up before you do a proper cycle.and before doing a cycle get your diet sorted.

It is advisable to wait till your 21 but if you do it atleast do it right.
1-get your diet 100%
2-do research(and i am not talking about a afternoons worth)substances,pct,anti estrogens ect...
3-run a cycle.

Wouldn't recommend using roids on that age at all

The thing you need is food and believe me that is by far the best for you,
You would be surprised to how many kgs of lean muscle you would get of a proper diet
The thing is VonD has already done the deed but he made sure he did all his homework on it

Doesn't mater what we tell you or say you are going to go ahead with it anyway.

If so then please just do you research and as well look up why it isn't smart for you to start at that age
Good luck

rvdwalt4 wrote: Wouldn't recommend using roids on that age at all

The thing you need is food and believe me that is by far the best for you,
You would be surprised to how many kgs of lean muscle you would get of a proper diet
The thing is VonD has already done the deed but he made sure he did all his homework on it

Doesn't mater what we tell you or say you are going to go ahead with it anyway.

If so then please just do you research and as well look up why it isn't smart for you to start at that age
Good luck

:lol:

Ive done a lot of research and no what i am doing. I am also very happy with my diet.

I feel like iam being treated like I no nothing, I have been on this site/forum for more then a year reading, posting and learning. iam on this site for at least a hour a day, everyday!

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think you're being a bit sensitive bro. Sometimes good-natured ribbing gets lost in translation.

Hopefully you now realise that doing cyp for two weeks was a bit silly. I would go with the beginner bulking cycle if I were you: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

The long ride to PCT on sust might be a bit too much if you haven't done a long cycle yet.

2 week cycle and broad shoulders... :woohoo:

Remember PCT...

manery wrote: I feel like iam being treated like I no nothing, I have been on this site/forum for more then a year reading, posting and learning. iam on this site for at least a hour a day, everyday!

Judging by your 2week cycle idea.there is lots to learn.

bro it was meant to be 14 weeks but had no choice but to cut it short! It wasn't PLANNED to be 2 weeks.

This is the cycle i planned to run.

wk 1-5 350mg test prop (split into 3 shots a week)
wk 1-10 500mmg test cyp
wk 10-14 winny 50mg

pct starts on week 15.
nolva
clomid
HCG

I ran into some trouble and had to cut the cycle short unfortunately.

to get back to the original question.Test is test.the short ester in the sustanon wont really act as a frontload as the amount is so little.so you can go with test cyp pinned once a week or sustanon pinned monday and thursday.

Results will be the same.

Sorry for the hassle

manery wrote: I feel like iam being treated like I no nothing, I have been on this site/forum for more then a year reading, posting and learning. iam on this site for at least a hour a day, everyday!

Hey bud. If you are 86kg range with a lower % bf (10-12) you should then only go on cycle. You still got a while to go before jumping on the needle. Hope you change your mind

Would gains on sust be slightly leaner because of the different esters "kicking in" at different times? unlike test cyp were your test levels peak and you start gaining a lot around week 4-5 through to 12.. or am not making much sense?

iMan: My weight has been higher then this, up to around 88 or so. I was in a bike accident and was in hospital and unable to train for 4 or 5 months (diet went to shit as-well).. I destroyed the bones in my wrist I now have 7 pins and a plate holding it together. In the last 2 months I have brought my weight up from 78.1 to my current weight with 1 or 2% body fat increase. I guess I could wait a few more months but I don't really want to. :whistle:

manery wrote: iMan: My weight has been higher then this, up to around 88 or so. I was in a bike accident and was in hospital and unable to train for 4 or 5 months (diet went to shit as-well).. I destroyed the bones in my wrist I now have 7 pins and a plate holding it together. In the last 2 months I have brought my weight up from 78.1 to my current weight with 1 or 2% body fat increase. I guess I could wait a few more months but I don't really want to. :whistle:

10kg in 4-5 months? That's quite a lot. Your bf was prob highish?