Basic test prop cycle

Hey guys

I've got a mate who is looking to cycle again. He previously did a cycle suggested by his trainer which was sustanon 250, deca and dbol, no PCT, standard stupid shit that guys suggest.

I want to suggest the following for him. I'm suggesting Test Prop as he had had hectic water bloat with the Sust and I think using solely short ester Prop might give him less issues.

Week 1-10, Test Prop, 300mg/week, injected 150mg Monday and 150mg Thursday (Is this pin protocol ok?)
Week 1-5, Winstrol, 50mg/day
Week 6-12 Proviron @60 mg/day
Week 13 – Clomid
Week 14-17 – Nolvadex
Week 14-17 – Ovidrel @ 10 mcg twice daily
Adex on hand in case of aromatisation.

I know its low dosages but want to get him started the right way. Believe he can still get good gains off this as a beginner?

Your thoughts?

My advice:

Test Prop 1-10 (consider 500mg per week)
Winny 40mg 1-5
proviron 11-16
Clomid 16-17
Nolv 16-19
Ov 17-19

Thats what I think.

Correct me if I am wrong guys.

Inject the test prop monday wednesday friday. Take the winstrol and move it to week 7-12 same with the proviron. The pct is fine,having the ovidrel might be slightly ovidrel.

@Big Les. Thanks bud. I think your bridging period is a bit long, Test Prop waiting period is 2 weeks as I understand it then you can shift into PCT?

@DJ. Thanks I will adjust it. I also think the ovidrel might be too much, its a really basic cycle.

Cheers

DJ wrote: Inject the test prop monday wednesday friday. Take the winstrol and move it to week 7-12 same with the proviron. The pct is fine,having the ovidrel might be slightly ovidrel.

+1

Mfezdro wrote: Hey guys

I've got a mate who is looking to cycle again. He previously did a cycle suggested by his trainer which was sustanon 250, deca and dbol, no PCT.

Hey guy. Sorry for the semi hijack. But has anyone else noticed that deca and sustanon is the most popular cycle in the uninformed comunity...and they don't know what a pct is.

I think that should give nice solid gains. Whats your mate's goals mfezdro?

I love test prop cycles. I personally don't like to wait so long for PCT as suggested above but each to his own.
Otherwise its very similar to a cycle I'm running in two weeks.

@Gorilla, he's a bit of a gym rat so is looking for size. He is a strong bugger but he bloated up quite a bit with the d/bol. So I'm hoping to get hime some lean mass gains, nothing hectic though. He was looking for 5-7kg's after PCT. I think that is optimistic but I reckon 3kg's cleam mass afterwards, along iwth a drop in BF, will be possible if he looks after his diet.

@Waldu. You right hey, there is a place for it but to suggest sust, deca and dbol with no pct for a first time cycle sounds rough to me.

@Vega. I have never used Prop but my experience with Cyp has not been great, so Prop for my next one definitely. Good luck with your cycle bud.

100% agreed.pct should be run after each cycle even a oral only cycle! And deca for a first timer is not a good idea IMO. It is his first cycle right?

A lot of people get caught in this trap by gym dealers and trainers...they just wanna make a buck with no concern to your health.

Yep his first cycle. I also think some guys take gear and don't really suffer side effects that they are aware of, they then assume that PCT is bull and not needed for any substance or for any of their mates. I've seen a few posts here where guys say 'oh I didn't do PCT and nothing happened".

I did my first cycle before finding this site and did no PCT, while it wasnt a trainsmash I definitely feel better with PCT and mostly keep my gains which is what you want, and that was not a highly suppressive cycle. I can't imagine doing Deca with no PCT and getting out the otherside ok.

He told me after his last cycle he was depressed, he was bloated and had no sex drive, also didn't keep any gains. Thats enough motivation for me.

Did he use Dbol or Winny as a 5 week kicker? How's his results at thi point?