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08 Feb 2012 00:06 #91631 by EZ
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So i started getting intense itching and sensitivity in my nips about 4weeks into my cycle (40mg tbol & 500mg cyp). I then upped my arimidex dosage to .2mg ED from .2mg EOD the itchyness/sentivity has since gone but my nipples are still a bit puffy, its been a week since i started the ED adex dosage and the headaches are already becoming unbearable im also getting hectic swelling in my feet :huh: and constant pins and needles in my legs. Im assuming this all has to do with the increase in adex?

Id like some opinions on whether i should carry on with ED dosage until i get rid of the puffy nipples(will adex even help with this) or maybe start nolva and switch back to EOD. OR do these sides have nothing to do with adex?

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08 Feb 2012 00:14 - 08 Feb 2012 00:14 #91633 by Eidolon
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Each AI has it's own set of sides. However, it sounds like you might be having a blood pressure issue. Have you had it checked?
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08 Feb 2012 05:43 #91634 by Empire
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the swelling of the feet and head aches does sound like a bp issue, the adex should help with water retention,but a mild diuretic might help bring down the water retention as well as the blood pressure, best thing is to go to a pharmacy and have a blood pressure check up,dont have any stimulants such as coffee before you go as this can give u issues.

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08 Feb 2012 11:17 #91708 by EZ
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I had my BP check on saturday last and was in normal range - 119/64. Will get it checked again today to make sure its not just high BP, is the numb/tingling feeling in my legs also related to high bp?

Also any comments on the adex helping with puffy nipples? Should i start nolva for this?

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08 Feb 2012 11:52 #91735 by 00pump
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It doesn't sound BP related, but 119 / 64 is low, you may actually feel a bit funny on that... Do you smoke cigaretts? Secondly what is your sugar readings? I think the feeling in your legs is water related, and you holding water, double the adex dose now, and start Nolva at 20mg a day for a week and see if it gets better.

Puffy nipples, where is it puffy, the nipple itself is it (swollen) the "tit" or just puffy the whole area? Is it soft or can you feel a lump? What is your bodyfat on? Are they pointing downward?

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08 Feb 2012 12:26 #91746 by EZ
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Thanks for the response.I do smoke bout 5-7 a day. Not sure on my sugar readings but will get that done today aswell, what could that be affecting?
Its not the nipple at all its the areola..its sort of saggy & very soft no lumps at all, not sure on bf% but started cycle on around 13% 5weeks ago and def picked up a few percent..

Ill start taking .4mg adex ED and nolva from tom.

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08 Feb 2012 15:36 #91820 by 00pump
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Smoking can cause that in your legs, so can holding water... Start Nolva today, that puffness needs to be dealt with within 2 weeks of that tingly sensation or I'm afraid you stuck with gyno.. Its very aggressive once it starts to work and very hard to control it once its formed..

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08 Feb 2012 16:31 #91838 by EZ
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Cool will start immeadiately will let you know how it goes. Thanks for the help bro.

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08 Feb 2012 17:43 #91856 by gorilla
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If 10mg Aromasin on cycle is enough will 10mg ED for pct be enough?

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08 Feb 2012 18:14 #91872 by spike
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Yeah kick the smoking habit bro. Go read about something called Raynaud's phenomenon... Scary stuff

Um, but im scared of needles...

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09 Feb 2012 08:23 #91946 by Mfezdro
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This is quite a mild cycle and its the second post I've seen where guys are complaining of gyno symptoms with similar cycles. Is gyno to be expected on a cycle like this? I'm currently in week 2 of a OT, Test cyp cycle and am wondering if I should get some adex on hand?

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09 Feb 2012 08:37 #91949 by Michael
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get some for just incase, you dont want to feel the effects and then want to run around trying to get the stuff.
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09 Feb 2012 08:45 #91954 by 00pump
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Mzezdro I get gyno from Anavar on its own, so ja, there is way's for majority of these drugs to aromatize maybe not due to androgens -> estrogens but maybe due to the chemical structure of the drug itself, flat A ring (Anadrol), etc.

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09 Feb 2012 08:49 #91955 by Mfezdro
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Eish Pump, I hope I'm not that sensitive. I didn't have any problems on previous cycles but these guys seem to be picking up problems around 500mg of test plus a frontload which is where I am. Think I will play it safe and get some on hand just in case.

EZ, let us know how it goes and if you manage to knock it back.

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09 Feb 2012 08:51 #91957 by 00pump
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The front loading is allot of androgens, so you can expect it, people who are sensative should from load with things like winstrol / primo ace, and tbol (but I do get gyno on this too, but much less profound than that of dianabol)

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09 Feb 2012 11:57 #92028 by Inja
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Mfezdro wrote: This is quite a mild cycle and its the second post I've seen where guys are complaining of gyno symptoms with similar cycles. Is gyno to be expected on a cycle like this? I'm currently in week 2 of a OT, Test cyp cycle and am wondering if I should get some adex on hand?


No this is unusual. Only sensitive okes should be getting gyno with <500mg long ester a week and a non-aromatisable kicker.

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09 Feb 2012 12:02 #92030 by Inja
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00pump wrote: Mzezdro I get gyno from Anavar on its own

:whistle: Mr. Pumper you crazy

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14 Feb 2012 14:38 #92787 by EZ
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Just an update on this..im on my 7th day taking 20mg nolva and it def help bring the swelling/puffyness right down im stll monitoring it as its not 100% but im much happier now than a week ago. Thnanx 00pump for the help!

So i want to know where to from here.. do i carry on with the nolva & adex @ .4mg ED & for how long?
Think the lower estrogen is starting to affect my gains plus the headaches are literally mind numbing but im not too concered about that right now..anything but bitch tits!

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15 Feb 2012 06:43 #92927 by Empire
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i would drop that dosage to every 2nd day not every day, suppressing estrogen too much will actually hinder gains more than help them.

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15 Feb 2012 08:08 #92944 by 00pump
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Inja wrote:

00pump wrote: Mzezdro I get gyno from Anavar on its own

:whistle: Mr. Pumper you crazy


I wish what was writen on paper is exactly what is experienced in the real world... Anvar doesn't aromatize, however so shouldn't oxymetholone, yet gyno is known on cycles due to the flat A ring.. However, I believe the result of gyno from Anavar could very well be due to damage in the liver. Just because we constantly read "Anavar does not aromatize" / cannot cause gynecomastia, that doesn't mean real world experience can't say otherwise. And truth be told, so many people have complained about gynecomastia from Anavar, and the only thing that is said back to them is, Anavar does not cause gyno. Yet people are yelling back saying, but it does, I am proof it does, and the replies are then you buying fake gear. I know what I am using isn't fake, so another theory on this could be 'suppression of natural testosterone supply' this on its own can lead to gynecomastia. Remeber Anavar is profound in its effects on collagen synthesis, therefor an increase in progesterone? Again there is a reason why I develop gynecomastia, and it isn't due to the product being faked... I will spend some time understanding the chemical makeup of the drug and then research as much as I can on it, the answer has to be available.. Maybe you could shed some light?

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15 Feb 2012 18:32 #93086 by Inja
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Eh...
Well it does not aromatise. That's why they use it in several studies as an aromatase inhibitor. Any non-aromatisable steroid like oxandrolone is an aromatase inhibitor because of the concentration effect...
I'm not saying all hormone imbalances caused by any AAS intake cannot cause gynecomastia, but to get it from oxandrolone you must have some freakishly sensitive breast tissue! But we know this about you and it's crazy...
I personally hope you never have to see the knife again... But it's crazy man

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