Cycle advice please>

Currently dropping BF until 8% then looking to run next cycle after some time off. Do not want to go over 10% BF.

Was thinking 10weeks Cyp @ 4ml PW with oral frontload, what would you guys suggest?

PCT: Aromasin,Clomid,Hcg

1-6:60mg tbol ed
1-10:80mg tren ace eod, 75mg npp eod, 250mg test prop eod.

There is a nice cycle, won't cause that bloated look either.

Hi bro.

Considering your first cycle I would say go for 3ml Cyp or E. Tbol frontload and winny+proviron+clen bridge to pct, You could even add in some prop.

Week 1-10: Cyp @ 750mg PW or Ent @ 900mg PW (IMO go for ENT)
Week 1-6: Tbol @ 30-50mg ED
Week 11-12: Prop @ 150mg EOD
Week 11-14: Winstrol @ 50mg ED with 50mg Proviron ED + Clen:
- Week 1 ramp to 120mcg (NOTHING MORE)
- Week 2 120mcg ED.
- followed by two weeks off.
- cycle this for 8 weeks(=4 weeks on, 4 weeks off)

If your looking to lean bulk this should do the trick IF DIET IS 100%.

Sal jy 19-nors vat teen daai dose vir 'n 2de cycle jakes?

If he's gonna run prop then no need to frontload for more than 2 weeks really

jakes wrote: 1-6:60mg tbol ed
1-10:80mg tren ace eod, 75mg npp eod, 250mg test prop eod.

There is a nice cycle, won't cause that bloated look either.

Thanx alot jakes, maar eks bang vir tren en deca nou al. What ancillaries would you suggest?

Which of the two cycles would be the cheapest? @jakes?

Jakes,2 19nors together? Not a clever idea,if u have progesterone side effects u will definantly know about it with these two together let alone the shut down is going to be terrible!

Oxy : test prop,NPP and masteron is a winner cycle,lean hard dry gains.

gorilla wrote: Sal jy 19-nors vat teen daai dose vir 'n 2de cycle jakes?

The test cyp option is really cheap. 2vials of test is peanuts. If its his second cycle no I wouldn't. If he has the cash and its only his second cycle I'd do this:
1-10:250mg test prop eod, 150mg npp eod.
11-16:250iu's hcg eod (or 150mg test e)
17-27:80mg tren ace eod, 75mg npp eod, 250mg test prop eod
On cycle I would use adex... On the second blast I'd use adex with aromasin eod.
Prolactin sides are over exaggerated.

Ps - You can still use tbol or dbol even when using short esters its a nice addition

DJ wrote: Jakes,2 19nors together? Not a clever idea,if u have progesterone side effects u will definantly know about it with these two together let alone the shut down is going to be terrible!

Nonsense. Its the amount of 19nors you use - stacking two won't make it worse. I know a guy who does 1.2g of deca. Absolutely no prolactin sides... It will shut you down hard, but that's why we pct with ovidrel, aromasin, nolva and clomid

jakes,have you used either npp or tren before to say that prolactin and progesterone side effects are over exaggerated? if you have the slightest inkling of progesterone and prolactin issues on either npp or tren you are going to have those issues go through the roof when combining them together,either one of those substances shuts you down so hard that months after your pct u can have libido issues,so using them together is going to double the issues you are going to have.

it is point less to run aromasin and arimadex together essentially they do the same thing, the one will stop an estrogen rebound after use but all you will do is dry out the joints more,destroy your blood lipids more and waste alot of money on that.

ok well then u are the expert,but if this kid has nice breasts that kids wanna suckle on and puts strain on his kidneys i will be pointing at you when he asks what goes wrong.

jakes wrote:

gorilla wrote: Sal jy 19-nors vat teen daai dose vir 'n 2de cycle jakes?

The test cyp option is really cheap. 2vials of test is peanuts. If its his second cycle no I wouldn't. If he has the cash and its only his second cycle I'd do this:
1-10:250mg test prop eod, 150mg npp eod.
11-16:250iu's hcg eod (or 150mg test e)
17-27:80mg tren ace eod, 75mg npp eod, 250mg test prop eod
On cycle I would use adex... On the second blast I'd use adex with aromasin eod.
Prolactin sides are over exaggerated.

Ps - You can still use tbol or dbol even when using short esters its a nice addition

Sounds like a good plan however I would run dostinex a tab PW along side that cycle and only do one blast...Is this advisable? This question is however personal and not for Oxy...hahaha Sorry for hijacking Oxy.

why not just use more tren or more deca, tren is fucking potent on its own with test,its one of the strongest steroids out there,so i dont see why u would be hoping to get more out of stacking them together, i would rather use double the amount of tren vs using 75mg of tren and 75mg of npp,just use 150mg of tren or 150mg npp.

There is absolutely no evidence that prolactin sides even exist bud. I have friends who do it, and the science is there. As soon as I'm done with bloodwork, I'm going to. Only difference is I'll be using the long esters (test e, deca, tren e)

I'm not an expert, nor do I claim to be one but that's how I understand it. As for the adex and aromasin comment, even doctari recommended this (I can give you the link to the thread if you don't believe me)...

You won't get bitchtits if you keep estrogen at bay. This prolactin thing is mambo jumbo I think :silly:

jakes wrote: There is absolutely no evidence that prolactin sides even exist bud. I have friends who do it, and the science is there. As soon as I'm done with bloodwork, I'm going to. Only difference is I'll be using the long esters (test e, deca, tren e)

I'm not an expert, nor do I claim to be one but that's how I understand it. As for the adex and aromasin comment, even doctari recommended this (I can give you the link to the thread if you don't believe me)...

You won't get bitchtits if you keep estrogen at bay. This prolactin thing is mambo jumbo I think :silly:

Thats a moerse relief as its coming from your side bro! So badly want to do a nice long deca cycle or tren cycle just dont want a nipple with milk coming from it! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Have some karma bru!

please pass on the link, i would like to see it, i just don't see the point on using them together, use one or the other. ok well there are plenty of users that have these effects so u can say it is mambo jumbo but i am not saying anything seeing that i know plenty of guys who have come to me with prolactin gyno from using deca or tren and have had to have it cut out...

DJ wrote: please pass on the link, i would like to see it, i just don't see the point on using them together, use one or the other. ok well there are plenty of users that have these effects so u can say it is mambo jumbo but i am not saying anything seeing that i know plenty of guys who have come to me with prolactin gyno from using deca or tren and have had to have it cut out...

I'm almost off to the gym, ill look for it a bit later bro. Check the "doctari pct protocol" thread and read page 1. Think its in the third post

Why would one use them together? Tren is the best drug for building mass, it has some nasty sides to so stacking it with deca makes perfect sense if you want to add to the cycle. Eg 525mg deca, 450mg tren and 1.2g test. You can't proof they got the gyno from the 19nors. Test is probably to blame. Anyway read that thread admin made.

@gorilla, long cycles are pointless bud. 10-12weeks max, cruise, blast...

at 2.5mg of letro a day,dont think it is a estrogen problem at all..but do it and see if u get the sides.

is this the quote u are looking for jakes

Arimidex at 0.5mg every second day, combined with low dose Bromocryptine/Parlodel (2,5mg per day)?

that was from doctari commenting on the progesterone based problems with deca.

Nope, not exactly. I read this a long time back so excuse me if I can't remember the exact words. Was something like "I would take adex with aromasin every second day" think it was the message before that one you quoted. I'll check as soon as I get back from gym... Just hang tight for an hour or two.

Ps, I've never read one article proving prolactin sides. Its a ghost side effect...Thus stuff like Parlodel is a waste. Bodybuilders aren't that technical...(The guys on the forum are)

Well that's doctaris view bro,so u can't believe its a waste but I would follow his work..also ask pump if prolactin gyno is real or not,clearly the mammergram and the surgeries have been lying about it,this is from a guy who is very very low in bodyfat, 8% all year round, but its just estrogen as u say,even though he uses large doses of ai's and that gyno was from using deca and trens and has gotten worse over the years.there might not be "scientific proof" but if the a lot of people suffer from it must be a myth...

thats tehe only time the doc quotes adex on that page.

@jakes: By a nice long cycle i mean 12 weeks test and deca/tren...prop + orals bridge to pct. Essencially it will be another 5or6 weeks test because of the waiting period due to deca's long half life.