test only????

hi all i have a friend who gave me some wierd confusing advice ( given dude is a Monster) but still, i've looked on the net for answers but nothing concrete, so might as well find out from u guyz, he uses a mixture of testoviron 2.5 ml and sustanon 1.5 ml every 2nd week and cycles it 12-weeks on 8-weeks off and he says he never done a pct before coz its just test only, now my question is(1) both have long esters so why mix? (2) dont u have to use a pct for this? (3) what would the negative effects of this type of cycling be? all advice and views will be appreciated

Well like you said there is no need to use both. ( Maybe he got his advice from an even bigger guy and does not want to question him!)
And PCT is always needed this cycle will still suppress natural test levels.

Punisher you killed it. Bietjie karma vir jou :woohoo:

It's a very old school style of cycling for life ramp up ramp down ramp up ramp down.
It takes a while for the long esters to taper down and then gains are lost steadily. SO basically by the time he starts to lose to much he is cycling again.

We simply don't advocate this anymore because we feel the same results can be achieved in a much healthier fashion by cycling on and off with PCT, giving the body proper rest periods in between to recover.

Up to you how you want to do it at the end of the day though...

iam pretty sure if you cycle like your friend does theres a good chance in the future he will have to go on to trt, because of how f**ked your natural test production will be.

manery wrote: iam pretty sure if you cycle like your friend does theres a good chance in the future he will have to go on to trt, because of how f**ked your natural test production will be.

And pinning 125mg test cyp weekly is a death sentence? Some people don't mind. I know I don't care

Do you think your still fertile jakes?

Ja, soos kompos.

I'm 2weeks out from starting pct and going for bloodwork. Then its back to cycling. 10-12weeks on with 6weeks off pinning hcg @ 250iu's eod before blasting again.

jakes wrote:

manery wrote: iam pretty sure if you cycle like your friend does theres a good chance in the future he will have to go on to trt, because of how f**ked your natural test production will be.

And pinning 125mg test cyp weekly is a death sentence? Some people don't mind. I know I don't care

its just a luss. id rather not have to rely on a injection weekly for the rest of my life. but hey thats me

@jakes: What test and dosage do you use for TRT ? En gebruik jy hcg deur jou 'cruise' tydperk om vrugbaar te bly?

ek weet jy het eintlik vir jakes gevra maar ek sal gou in chip.
Vir trt gebruik hulle lang esters soos cyp sodat die ou toppies nie so gereeld hoef te inject nie!

Dankie bra! Ekt so gedink maar ek wil net vir interresantheid weet watse ester dit is en hoekom? hahaha en op watter dose cruise hy... Planning do go on TRT myself in a few years, who knows?

thanx guyz me learn daily, me next questiondoes this work
week 1-6 t prop **ml eod
week 1-16 t cyp 3ml pw
week17-20 t prop ** ml eod
wk 17-21 proviron 60mg ed,winny 60 mg ed
no orals f/load
pct- wk 22 clomid,nolva,ovidrel(unsure?)
trying 2 minimize orals/liver damage am supposed 2 start cycle in march bt still waiting on pct i read somewhere always better 2 have pct on hand incase of problems during cycle

gorilla wrote: @jakes: What test and dosage do you use for TRT ? En gebruik jy hcg deur jou 'cruise' tydperk om vrugbaar te bly?

@dig, that's too long for test, drop the prop if you want to run it for that period of time. No use in using a kicker then gains will stagnate at between 10 and 12weeks.

@gorillia, I'm not on trt, test is good tho, it won't necessarily make you infertile, test is responsible for sperm production. I cruise on test... (Well sometimes) I'm off now.

i dont see why it is too long,i have run prop at 450mg-600mg a week for 12 weeks before.

Difference is this is 16weeks. The prop will kick in after a few days, and when he stops at week 6 the test will have kicked in fully. Gains will stagnate, I'll bet my left nut. Unless he decides to tale a week off, like maybe week 13 with NO training and plenty of sleep.

That's why I prefer 10-12weeks with a 6-8week cruise followed by another blasting phase.

jakes wrote:

gorilla wrote: @jakes: What test and dosage do you use for TRT ? En gebruik jy hcg deur jou 'cruise' tydperk om vrugbaar te bly?

@gorillia, I'm not on trt, test is good tho, it won't necessarily make you infertile, test is responsible for sperm production. I cruise on test... (Well sometimes) I'm off now.

Would you advocate going on TRT on 30 if you still want children some day?

so u saying hit 12 wks tcyp then bridge 4 wks on prop, ohk tht leaves me wit 2 xtra bottles each 4 next cycle (cool) can i drop winny n provi make it test only ie is it a beter idea 4 a 2nd or 1st cycle

gorilla wrote: Would you advocate going on TRT on 30 if you still want children some day?

Do you have low test levels?

Eidolon wrote:

gorilla wrote: Would you advocate going on TRT on 30 if you still want children some day?

Do you have low test levels?

No, not all, although have never had bloods done. But who doesnt want to have high test levels? LOL

Bud I'm not a medical doctor so I'd rather not advocate doing it. If you still want kids, be safe, let them freeze a few of the little swimmers at a sperm bank haha. Trt or cruising is great because it improves your mood as well as recovery time in the gym.

Never even thought of that bro! How long can they stay "fresh" in a freezer? hahaha

gorilla wrote: Never even thought of that bro! How long can they stay "fresh" in a freezer? hahaha

They will live longer than you bro. They last in the freezer lol. But do some research on it haha. Its not something that I've done research about.

Hahaha sal my huiswerk doen en terugkom na jou. Thanks vir die help.