cycle options.

what would be the better cycle for lean big gains?

my diet will be in check

1-12 test cyp 625mg(2.5mls)
12-16 winny 50mg ed

or

1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-10 test cyp 500mg(2mls)
10-14 winny 50mg ed
ill be atleast 11 percent body fat by the time i start this cycle, it will be my PROPER first cycle.

ill be using letro/arimidex all way through with both option, ill be starting one of either of the above cycles sometime in aprill.

input please

I'll go for 2nd option but just extend test part to 12 weeks. Any cycle can be a lean gain/bulk/cut, it all depends on the diet

ABC01 wrote: I'll go for 2nd option but just extend test part to 12 weeks. Any cycle can be a lean gain/bulk/cut, it all depends on the diet

thanks bud, any particular reasoning why you prefer my 2nd option over the first? do you think it will yield better gains??

I'd just combine the 2... why not 625mg test cyp for 12 weeks, fronted with 40mg dbol/day for 4 weeks, and closed with the 50mg winstrol /day for 4 weeks??

spike wrote: I'd just combine the 2... why not 625mg test cyp for 12 weeks, fronted with 40mg dbol/day for 4 weeks, and closed with the 50mg winstrol /day for 4 weeks??

isnt that a bit much for a first cycle? but ill take that into consideration, shot!

spike wrote: I'd just combine the 2... why not 625mg test cyp for 12 weeks, fronted with 40mg dbol/day for 4 weeks, and closed with the 50mg winstrol /day for 4 weeks??

This is more or less what i meant. Even 500mg is enough. Dont think its too much for a 1st cycle since the base of the cycle is the test. You are just supplementing it with dbol until test kicks in and then you are riding the ester out with winni till pct. You are not stacking the test with any other steroid like deca or EQ so i think its fine for a 1st cycle. This is my opinion anyway. Dont see the need to go higher than 500mg test for 1st cycle. You will get good gains from this. Its also low enough to maybe miss the gyno boat should you be prone to that. I grew on 250mg test en on my 1st cycle

ABC01 wrote:

spike wrote: I'd just combine the 2... why not 625mg test cyp for 12 weeks, fronted with 40mg dbol/day for 4 weeks, and closed with the 50mg winstrol /day for 4 weeks??

This is more or less what i meant. Even 500mg is enough. Dont think its too much for a 1st cycle since the base of the cycle is the test. You are just supplementing it with dbol until test kicks in and then you are riding the ester out with winni till pct. You are not stacking the test with any other steroid like deca or EQ so i think its fine for a 1st cycle. This is my opinion anyway. Dont see the need to go higher than 500mg test for 1st cycle. You will get good gains from this. Its also low enough to maybe miss the gyno boat should you be prone to that. I grew on 250mg test en on my 1st cycle

thanks man, ill let you guys no what i decide to do, but iam very interested in your first cycle with 250mg? funny enough i just pinned my friend with his first pin today and hes planning on also only doing 250mg for 10 weeks...can you please elaborate on your experiences, and what you used for pct ?.. its also his first cycle.

Why not go with 750mg of test cyp
Frontloaded with test prop
Bridge with winny @50mg a day

Letro for an Ai

VonD wrote: Why not go with 750mg of test cyp
Frontloaded with test prop
Bridge with winny @50mg a day

Letro for an Ai

i mite do that, but without prop because i dont want to pin so often, the reason i dont want to do the dbols is because i dont want to do to many orals beacause i do drink and i like to party with my mates, there is alot of critizim towards people who drink on cycle i no.i will try keep drinking to a mininum ESPESCIALLY when iam on winny but 8 weeks of orals all together allong with nolva during pct is just going to limit my social life.iam not willing to give up my social life just to be big, so i would rather just do a high dose of test for 12-14 weeks instead of jumping on to orals for for the first 4 weeks,and i dont want to do the prop because its sore and frequent.another thing iam worrying about is with the high does of test because when i was in my teens i had quite a bit of acne on my back, witch iam scared will FlARE up.its alot to take in thats why iam so uncertain about what to do....but will probably end up doing

1-14 750mg test cyp
14-18 50mg winny

and letro from week 3 to 14..

Only use the letro when you get sides.unless you are sensitive

VonD wrote: Only use the letro when you get sides.unless you are sensitive

cool bru

VonD wrote: Only use the letro when you get sides.unless you are sensitive

Letro takes a while to have an effect - at least 2 weeks. If you are on a tight budget and decide to use it, you probably have to do so a few weeks pre cycle for it to stabilise. I'd rather keep adex or aromasin on hand.

True but at those dosage it should not be a problem but its your choice.

what if i just start it at a low dosage and use it through out and gyno signs or etc still show then up the dossage and that will help with water retention aswell?

whats a low dossage look like? not fimilar with ai's

2 drops eod to start off bro

manery wrote:

ABC01 wrote:

spike wrote: I'd just combine the 2... why not 625mg test cyp for 12 weeks, fronted with 40mg dbol/day for 4 weeks, and closed with the 50mg winstrol /day for 4 weeks??

This is more or less what i meant. Even 500mg is enough. Dont think its too much for a 1st cycle since the base of the cycle is the test. You are just supplementing it with dbol until test kicks in and then you are riding the ester out with winni till pct. You are not stacking the test with any other steroid like deca or EQ so i think its fine for a 1st cycle. This is my opinion anyway. Dont see the need to go higher than 500mg test for 1st cycle. You will get good gains from this. Its also low enough to maybe miss the gyno boat should you be prone to that. I grew on 250mg test en on my 1st cycle

thanks man, ill let you guys no what i decide to do, but iam very interested in your first cycle with 250mg? funny enough i just pinned my friend with his first pin today and hes planning on also only doing 250mg for 10 weeks...can you please elaborate on your experiences, and what you used for pct ?.. its also his first cycle.

It was just straight forward testoviron (test en) @ 250mg/week and pct consisted of clomid and nolva. I would structure it better off course if i knew then what i know now.

Anyway, a basic test cycle rounded off with winni will be great for a 1st cycle. No need to frontload if you dont want. Just 1 thing bud: If you make the decision to go ths AAS route you should do it for the correct reasons. You need to look after your body and partying is not a good idea. It is very important to be in the right mindset (headspace) when you start this. Not judging you, just saying....

I'd stick to 500mg. If your diet is in check as u say it will be that is more than enough test + oral u choose to see amazing gains on your first cycle.
If u start at 750mg what kind of cycles will you have to do to grow later on?