Achieving results dispute

Jakes why dont u pay the price and hire George Farrah as a coach and see the doses he uses,u will be shocked and amazed how little gear he puts his guys on,to him it's all about the food...9000-10000 calories a day,if u arent growing on that then u are not traing hard enough.

Because he probably charges like 5k monthly... I'll rather just pay you and be sure my diet is legit..

How the fuuuck can someone eat 10000cals and not become fat? Unless you take a stupid amount of GH and slin...

If you put me on 10009als I'd have to take a shovel full of clen in the mornings.

Edit- I don't even think its possibly to get in 10000cals clean daily... Not one person on this forum can possibly eat 500g carbs and protein with fats daily.

Bud, andrew did just that, some of his shakes where 80g isolate,200g oats, and that's just the breakfast shake to go with his other food,yes u do put on fat but the amount of muscle is insane, gh use isn't that high.

A shake of oats? What amount of water do you drink with that? You better put me on shit like that january...

Will see, if I get away with medium-high dosages its cool, if I don't I don't have a problem pinning what is needed

Whey isolate and oats bud.

jakes wrote: A shake of oats? What amount of water do you drink with that? You better put me on shit like that january...

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Think i should too!
I struggle to eat 3500.

BTW - Dorian had a clip on his site where he put to bed some rumours about himself - scale clocked 127Kg's i think - but seriously close if not.

Lee Priest is one Pro, but what about the others?

I also struggle getting in between 3500-4000. Its hard. No wonder they have monster guts.

you were a pro and someone asked you have much you used and you were on over 3g would you tell him that? I'm honest, I wouldn't. I'd lie to the guy... I'd also say 500mg test and a 300mg deca in the off season lol

Dorian might be heavy but he basically lost all his size... I seriously doubt that the guy is healthy.

If you are a pro, a lot is on the line and you are going to do whatever it takes. People don't care about their health, they just want to see the freaky mass monsters

Dorian was a hard gainer, his body reverted back to a genetic limit... You can't live that life for ever... He however is a great example that genetics shouldn't play a role in being the best... Guys like Ronnie are genetic freaks...

Evox makes a oats and protein shake..quite nice.

Evox makes oats enriched witH protein, you eat that like oats and its expensive... Normal oats cost R15 a kg... If I had to do that I would mix it with BSSA's whey. Then I don't have to worry about the quality.

@Pump, now you said you can't live that life forever but you nearly flipped when I said 50 would be good. if you are using small dosages under a gram 3 months off 3months on you can pretty much do that your whole life... I don't see why not. For some reason I just don't think they do, that's why they have to retire early. Take Jay for example, the dude is old. 37... Now he lost his title to phil. Next year, he will be back, bigger than ever I can bet you. I can't see him going past 40. Then he will have to retire and how long he lives then is anyone's guess.

Have you seen how ronnie looks today? Genetics sure, gosh I loved how he looked at the start of his career. That body was beautiful when he weighed 235 pounds... Then he went to 298... He didn't go that high by eating his veggies. His gut is almost wider than his chest now days and like all the pro's he now has to pop bloodpressure meds like smarties and I can bet you his liver - and kidney aren't too great either.

In my opinion okay genetics + high dosages of steroids + proper nutrition + IGF and GH = potential to be as big as any pro. Not because they were born with the genetics to do 500mg weekly and win. Maybe that german kid that doesn't have the myostatin gene yes, but defiantly not your average IFBB bodybuilder.

You can't compete that level and be healthy, I accept that. Believe me bro, if I thought it was possible to achieve my goals without high dosages I wouldn't take them.
Next year I'm on Dj's diet, and my training will be on point. The only other factor is steroids. I'll do the dosages I said... Which aren't massive. If I can gain 5kg a year off them its good. If I can't I'll have to pin more oil.

I also believe that eating 10k calories, let's say 500g of them are protein, takes their toll on your kidneys.

I certainly believe the pros (well at least some of them) aren't on as high doses as we think, if you're going to admit to using steroids why lie about the doses? Doesn't make sense.

If you look at the guys competing at NPC level and compare them to the Olympia line ups are you telling me that the only difference is the gear dosages? Genetics is what sets them apart, the top level pros respond to gear waaaaay better than your average NPC athlete and so don't really need to a lot of test. Its the other stuff like GH and slin that they really

and 00pump's already mentioned that your body always tries to maintain homeostatis so once you stop using gear your body won't allow you to walk around 130kg at 4% so you'll shrink back towards your genetic limit. You obviously won't live long if you stay at that size your whole life as it takes its toll on your body that's why they stop using the dangerous stuff and probably stick to using just test if anything at all

Deadgoat wrote: I certainly believe the pros (well at least some of them) aren't on as high doses as we think, if you're going to admit to using steroids why lie about the doses? Doesn't make sense.

If you look at the guys competing at NPC level and compare them to the Olympia line ups are you telling me that the only difference is the gear dosages? Genetics is what sets them apart, the top level pros respond to gear waaaaay better than your average NPC athlete and so don't really need to a lot of test. Its the other stuff like GH and slin that they really

and 00pump's already mentioned that your body always tries to maintain homeostatis so once you stop using gear your body won't allow you to walk around 130kg at 4% so you'll shrink back towards your genetic limit. You obviously won't live long if you stay at that size your whole life as it takes its toll on your body that's why they stop using the dangerous stuff and probably stick to using just test if anything at all

DG, do you think everyone has the money to run 20iu's GH, with steroids and food? I can bet you the thing that holds most people back is finances.

It makes perfect sense, they brainwash you in thinking you don't have what it takes. If they admitted it every second wanne be would pin that much and a lot of people would get hurt. If you think lee priest got hugh by taking 300mg deca or whatever for 7 weeks then I guess its your right.

As for your view on them shrinking, you can't be serious? Being big is their life! Do you think they would shrink down out of choice? They don't do it because they want to, bodybuilding is their everything. They do it because they have to.

Think this debate should be moved to that conspiracy theory thread I made a while back :lol: come on now Jakes, really? Gear only works up until a certain point, if all it took to be a Mr O was copious amounts of gear and a good diet then why don't we have a new Mr O every year? And NPC and above bodybuilders can certainly afford all the gear that they want I can promise you that, Kai Greene and Branch Warren were dirt poor but managed to step on the Olympia stage, its all about genetics buddy.

And for the last part of your post look at the last part of my previous post

Okay Mr goat tell me, how many people you know have the time and discipline not to mention the finances to do it?

If you are happy thinking that you aren't good enough so be it, I don't think I'm not. They are dirt poor because they spend their cash on juice and peptides and food.

Well bodybuilding's a popular sport lately so I'd say quite a few people have those resources available. Like I said genetics won't really matter until you get right to the top level (NPC and Mr Olympia), and I'm definitely not saying that you (or anyone else besides Marius Dohne's legs) don't have what it takes to go that far.

I just believe them when they say that they don't abuse test as much as we think they do. I've been asking people for their homework for years so I know when someone's lying, and I can say with a lot of certainty that Lee Priest wasn't lying to me

You also spoke to him at the shameen? Dude they are pro's at lying too. You can't compare that to lying about homework. Lol people will admit to using heroin before they admit juicing. I lie about it on a daily basis to a lot of people.

How many bodybuilders won't admit using and say they are natural? So they are telling the truth? I don't think so... They lie about it so much that they believe themselves. :silly:

Most people on this forum will deny it if someone walks up to them and ask...

Yes I agree but when you rarely admit to people that you do in fact use steroids so you lie to them about what doses you use? Of course not coz you've already admitted you use so what's the point in lying about the doses?

and lol at the new thread title, should've been renamed to "jakes vs common sense"

Easy for you to speak.. You only want to be 235, let's see how you feel about it after you used the stuff.

Nothing I said is far fetched. And yes, I would certainly lie about dosages. Why? Because if I didn't a lot of other people would become that big too. Like you said on the follistatin topic where you commented "I surely hope it has some serious side effects or causes heart enlargement because then everyone will look like a bodybuilder and we won't be special anymore" remember that comment?

You don't give out all your secrets. There are IFBB pro's that take insane dosages. Some more than others but dosages are above a gram.

Its dose dependent, more will give better results (regardless of side effects) so yes... That's the point .

Yeah I remember saying that but the difference here is that even if you use a ton of gear you still have to work your ass off for gains, while follistatin appears to be a miracle drug judging by the pics I've seen.

Reason why the Pros don't publicise their secrets is because they've signed contracts which forces them to say creatine is their big secret. Once retired and are done competing they have no need to lie. Why share your training and diet secrets and then lie about gear doses when you don't have to?

You'll still have to train with follistatin too. I wouldn't publish my secrets after retiring, that is stupid. People won remember how you looked or how hard you worked then. They will remember the amount of steroids you took... Not good for your memory now is it.

They will maybe tell their children but surely not every second idiot.

gh15 calls out Lee Priest.
gh15 calls out Lee Priest:

gh15 want this copy and paste on the tread on the md where lee is constantly lie to the fellas,,i dont give a flying fuck about that board,,but the lies that were sent to me arre byond absured,,that thread over there is many pages long and i got sent links ,,im going to write my response here and i expect my pupils to post it there,,copy and paste into that board


lee priest,, you are high on my scope,,i dont like what you are doing here,,i dont like your consistant lies,,i think you been an unsucsesful in your mission of becoming the top bodybuilder in the world and now youre washed up and never will place well again in any professional competition,,

yes this is gh15 writing this ,,dont faint fellas,,i asked this post to be posted on your board since you need to know the TRUTH,,

lee priest is one of the heaviest users of hormones bodybuilding has EVER known ,,and im talkin grams,,no not 400 mg of test and not 4 units of gh or 8 units of gh,, priest is a very short guy very equivelent to a real life dwarf,,those fellas do not grow to be over 140-150lb and thats on a good wet day ,,lee started the use of hormones in his teenager years BEFORE THE AGE OF 15,,his all family from mama to granpa were using hormones and it was around ,,just take and use,, he was a VERY SMALL frame and very small bodybuilder teen,,


he started lieing during that age already and now dyas just try to keep the myth same as arnold did but only to WORSE DEGREE,,for not to forget ,,fella like reeves went to his grave with the knowledge he used hormones but still lied and said he wasnt aware of them eventhough he USED TESTOSTERONE,,and that was in the 40s!! ,,lee took the reeves lies and arnold lies and twisting into new twisted reality that only modern bodybuilder who has SEVERE MENTAL ISSUES CAN DO ,,


lee used ALL HORMONES AVAILABLE TO YOU BODYBUILDERS,,EVERYTHING,,OFCOURSE I DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE JUNK PEPTIDES OF THE NEW MILLENIUM ,,BUT GH AND IGF HE USED AND A LOT OF IT !,,HE ALSO USED LOTS OF TEST AND LOTS AND LOTS OF ANABOLICS IN MEGA DOSES,

IF LEE PRIEST STOP USING HORMONES HE SHRINKS DOWN TO 165LB NOW DAYS WHICH IS INDEED RESPECTABLE BUT INORDER TO MAINTAIN SINGLE DIGIT BODYFAT% HE WILL HAVE TO BE IN THE 160 LB ZONE,,OFCOURSE HE CAN RAMAIN THE FATZO HE WANTS TO BE AT 200LB BUT IT WIL BE THE 20% FATZO TYPE,,IT WONT HAPPEN IN A DAY ,,IT WILL HAPPEN IF HE EVER WENT OFF REALLY OFF FOR OVER A YEAR,,THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN OFCOURSE BECAUSE WE ARE ADDICTS,,AND HE IS ADDICT NUMBER ONE ,,

IM TELLIN YOU HERE AND NOW LEE PRIEST WILL SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE HEAD IF I CLOSE HIS SUPPLY OF HORMONES,,AND I CAN DO IT VERY EASILY BOTH IN AUSTALIA AND IN THE USA,,VERY VERY EASILY I CAN MAKE HIM USE LEFT OVERS AND DRAIN THE SHIT OUT OF HIM ,,I WONT DO IT BECAUSE I LOVE MONEY,,


I DO NOT LIKE HIS LIES,,I THINK HE IS DISGUSTING,,I THINK HE IS A FELLON THAT NEEDED TO BE IN PRISON MANY TIMES OVER VIOLENMCE AGAINST WOMEN,,I T HIKN HE IS PATHOLOGICAL LIAR,,I THINK HE MAY BE THE WORST LIAR IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT HIS LIES AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ITS THE TRUTH WHEN ITS NOT!

NOW,,I SUGGEST LEE PRIEST SHUT HIS MOUTH ,,BECAUSE NOW HIS CAREER IS OVER OFCOURSE ,,BUT HIS HORMONIZED DAYS CAN BE OVER TOO,,HE WILL HAVE TO SIT AND BEG FOR HRTS AND THEN IT WIL TRULY BE 250MG OF TEST ,,

DO NTO LIE TO THOSE KIDS!! YOU HEAR ME ? YOU STINK,,YOU RUINED BODYBUILDING,,YOU ARE THE REASON BODYBUILDING IS I N THE SHIT ITS IN ,,YOU AND YOUR BIG MOUTH ,,WE THREW YOU OUT OF THE IFBB PARTLY BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIAR,,DISGUSTING ONE BUT VERY TALANTED AT THAT ,,

I DONT WANT TO BRING THE ADDICITON TO NARCOTICS LAFRANSUA WENT OVER THEN AGAIN ITS NO DIFFERENT THAN MONICA,,ALL DRUG ADDICTS OF THE 10TH DEGREE,,


BUT YOU ! YOU !! ARE A STINKY LIAR AND YOU GET ON MY NERVES ,,VERY HARD TO PISS GH15 OFF,, BUT YOU DO IT ,,YOU LIE TO THOSE KIDS LIE LIE LIE AND LIE MORE,,AND FEW OF THEM MINORITY BUT FEW OF THEM THAT ARE VERY DEDICATED ACTUALLY BELIVEE YOU AND WILL KILL THEMSELVES IN THE WAY TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF US THINKING YOU WERE TELLIN THEM THE TRUTH YOU PISS OF SHIT,,

NOT ENOUGH THAT THE GOVERMENT MAKE IT HARD FOR THOSE KIDS TO GET HORMONES NOW DAYS ,,THEY NEED TO GO TO OTHER METHODS AND USE THE GREY AREA STEROIDS WHICH ARE STEROIDA LIKE MDROL HALODROL SINCE THEY AFFRAID TO BE COUGHT BUYING SCHEDULE ITEM SO THEY BUY THE MOST HARSH STEROIDS THERE ARE LIKE S UPERDROL AND BURN THEIR LIVERS ALIVE,,NOT ONLY THAT !,, BUT YOU MISLEAD THEM AS AN IFBB PAST PRO,,YOU ARE DISGRACE TO OUR PROFESSION ,,I DESPIZE YOU ,,EVERYTHING YOU SAY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS MAKES YOU THE WORST BODYBUILDING ON THE PLANET ,, YOU WILL NEVER BE REMEMBERED BY THE AMERICAN KIDS,,YOU WILL MAYBE BE REMEMBERED IN SOME SHIT HOLE IN AUSRALIA AND UAE,,BUT NOT IN AMERICANA ,,

YOU ARE A REAL TRUE SHAME FOR THIS CULT,,

GH15 APPROVED

I personally do not agree with GH15's perspective on certain things, particularly dosages. That being said DJ is 100% correct as diet is the most work in getting your goals. People are suprised at how low my dosages are. Believe it or not I have never been over 750mg test ever in my life. I am now 102kg at 10.5% B/F 1.65m tall. Diet is key, some Pro's use absurd dosages that is true however I believe in lower dosages and keeping diet as clean as possible. DJ has me on 5000cal a day and im growing even off cycle. Point being Jakes you will do whatever your heart desires and learn your body, just do not become blinded to reality by your passion. Balance. When I am in Witbank I look forward to having a few sessions with you I think you have talent but don't burn yourself out too soon. look at Marius, I reaaly admire him but his health issues will hold him back from reaching the heights he could have reached had he been more holistic in his approach, long term not short term results.

I too admire marius. Worked with him... Great guy, a tad expensive tho but none the less he's awesome. That was a good post. I don't agree on everything that said, but you have to agree he had some valid points too...

Its true.. A lot of people will burn themselves out if they try it. I won't just jump into insane dosages. Like I said - not big enough yet.

As for everyone yelling genetics ---> s1191.photobucket.com/albums/z472/jakes1...NjM1NjU5X24uanBn.jpg

Look at that pic. Yes that is a girl. Now if a woman can achieve that on steroids, what's stopping guys? Just a thought

@jakes, is that u in the pics on beach ? you look great man. i wana look like that ! period

Koularas wrote: @jakes, is that u in the pics on beach ? you look great man. i wana look like that ! period

Yeah, thanks man. Was 19 in the first beach pic, just 21 on the last and the back pic... Made some progress since then. Just get your diet sorted, drop bodyfat, do your research and run a few testosterone cycles. You'll get there...

well i've got 2 months to drop to 13% bf, wish me luck.