Superdrol with Winstrol

Hey guys.

I am a noob with AAS. Got some Winstol and Superdrol form a friend.
I am interested in stacking it for a lean bulking cycle and some Clen afterwards.
Both Winstrol and Superdrol at 20mg each, (divided = morning and eve)
Superdrol for 3 weeks
Winny for 5 weeks

Is it advisable?
Thanks

it won't yield results especially at that dosage.winstrol needs to be run for at least 6weeks rather do a test cycle with the superdrol.

If you going to run Winstrol then up that dosage to 50mg/day. Superdrol dosage can also be increased to 30mg/day. Also cycle the clen with winny/superdrol... make sure you research correct clen cycling/dosages.
Would be a good idea to add some test, but I have often done short winny cycles - most beneficial when BF is low.

Thanks guys!

Kak idea for a first cycle, period. 500mg test cyp frontload with dbol. Then maybe the winni with a little prop and the clen.

STUARTF wrote: If you going to run Winstrol then up that dosage to 50mg/day. Superdrol dosage can also be increased to 30mg/day. Also cycle the clen with winny/superdrol... make sure you research correct clen cycling/dosages.
Would be a good idea to add some test, but I have often done short winny cycles - most beneficial when BF is low.

Thanks Stuartf! Can you please give me more info on how to cycle the clen with the winny/sdrol? Should I stop the winny/sdrol and then do clen and back to winny/sdrol OR clen/winny and cycle winny/sdrol?

to be 100% honest i wouldnt run superdrol with any other oral, this is gonna be a bad idea for your liver and kidneys,i have used 20mg of superdrol before and fuck me it worked me hard...use one or the other. not both together,just my opinion.

DJ wrote: to be 100% honest i wouldnt run superdrol with any other oral, this is gonna be a bad idea for your liver and kidneys,i have used 20mg of superdrol before and fuck me it worked me hard...use one or the other. not both together,just my opinion.

I hear you - that is exactly why I wanted to run it at 20mg p/d. Was even thinking of doing it at 10mg p/d. I had liver/kidney tests done recently and lucky to report all 100%
What about doing the Superdrol frist, 20mg-30mg p/d and end with Winny/clen?

That doesn't even make sense. What the hell? Both are toxic to the liver so why would separating them and running it be any different? This is no different than some idiot running dbol for 2 or 3 months. Enjoy the abuse :S

I can't see how anyone here can vouch for a kak cycle like that.

jakes wrote: That doesn't even make sense. What the hell? Both are toxic to the liver so why would separating them and running it be any different? This is no different than some idiot running dbol for 2 or 3 months. Enjoy the abuse :S

I can't see how anyone here can vouch for a kak cycle like that.

Thanks for your concern and input. Point taken, however... separating dose and lowering it is less stress on the liver. Is the same as drinking one bottle of whiskey in one night or drinking one bottle over a period of one month - much less strain on the system :dry:

You can't compare liquor with steroids. I'm just warning you. If you want to do it, do it. Just know that its a kak idea. Don't be greedy and fork out the money for 20ml test e or cyp and do a proper cycle

I know there is the 'ideal' first cycle stack of d-bol/cyp/winny and this is what is best to recommend for a beginner starting out with steroids. However not everyone wants the muscle mass/size attributed with a cycle like this and sometimes a short winstrol cycle can satisfy a beginners needs all depending on what his/her goals are. I know a lot of my mates just want the muscle hardening/energy increase associated with winstrol and are quite happy to stick with this. Obviously I stress that this is goal dependant and in most cases a steroid user decides to do a cycle to increase muscle mass which is of coarse what they are designed for.

If you decide to exclude test then I would say that a superdrol frontload 20mg/day for 4 weeks, winstrol at 50mg/day for 6 weeks and cycle it together with clen. DJ is right with the liver toxicity so perhaps run winstrol injectable instead of the oral winstrol.

Clen will be cycled two weeks on, 2 weeks off
week 1 - ramp up from 40mcg to 100mcg
week 2 - 100mcg
week 3 - 4 - off
week 5 - 6 - ramp from 80mcg to 100mcg

Think about getting betasleep or ketotifen to up-regulate beta-receptors as clen will cause these recpetors to down regulate. If you run this then you can run the clen 4 weeks on with maybe a week off.

STUARTF wrote: I know there is the 'ideal' first cycle stack of d-bol/cyp/winny and this is what is best to recommend for a beginner starting out with steroids. However not everyone wants the muscle mass/size attributed with a cycle like this and sometimes a short winstrol cycle can satisfy a beginners needs all depending on what his/her goals are. I know a lot of my mates just want the muscle hardening/energy increase associated with winstrol and are quite happy to stick with this. Obviously I stress that this is goal dependant and in most cases a steroid user decides to do a cycle to increase muscle mass which is of coarse what they are designed for.

If you decide to exclude test then I would say that a superdrol frontload 20mg/day for 4 weeks, winstrol at 50mg/day for 6 weeks and cycle it together with clen. DJ is right with the liver toxicity so perhaps run winstrol injectable instead of the oral winstrol.

Clen will be cycled two weeks on, 2 weeks off
week 1 - ramp up from 40mcg to 100mcg
week 2 - 100mcg
week 3 - 4 - off
week 5 - 6 - ramp from 80mcg to 100mcg

Think about getting betasleep or ketotifen to up-regulate beta-receptors as clen will cause these recpetors to down regulate. If you run this then you can run the clen 4 weeks on with maybe a week off.

@stu, if he uses the injectable winni it can still be harsh on the liver. It just misses the first pass but its still toxic to the liver so it won't really help... Or am I wrong?
Oral only cycles = kak cycles

hey bud, I know winstrol is toxic as an injectable as well (alot less than oral) but given the really limited amount of other chemicals he's thinking about running, I can't see it posing too much of a problem. Look at the average pre-contest cycle.... it would include high doses of tren together with double doeses of winny, masteron, GH, NPP etc not to mention all the fat burners and duiretics that hammer the liver and kidneys. I really don't think a short coarse of winny/superdrol will even touch sides compared to this. However he is a beginner so caution must be taken.

I agree with you that all cycles should contain a test base, but like I said before some people have different goals and expectations from a short steroid cycle.

Won't argue there, pre contest cycles do get a little hectic, its more the principal of the matter to me haha.

In this case I think the main goal is "do the cheapest cycle possible" lol.
Individual goals do differ, however given the results he would get compared to 500mg test the right choice should be obvious. Even modifying it to something like:
1-12:500mg test c
1-3:20mg sdrol
10-14:50mg winni ed

If you aren't already at 10%bodyfat or below I don't see this cycle as doing anything much. Maybe minor strength gains and 1 or 2% drop in bodyfat with the clen, which at let's say 15% bodyfat will be hardly noticeable

STUARTF wrote: I know there is the 'ideal' first cycle stack of d-bol/cyp/winny and this is what is best to recommend for a beginner starting out with steroids. However not everyone wants the muscle mass/size attributed with a cycle like this and sometimes a short winstrol cycle can satisfy a beginners needs all depending on what his/her goals are. I know a lot of my mates just want the muscle hardening/energy increase associated with winstrol and are quite happy to stick with this. Obviously I stress that this is goal dependant and in most cases a steroid user decides to do a cycle to increase muscle mass which is of coarse what they are designed for.

If you decide to exclude test then I would say that a superdrol frontload 20mg/day for 4 weeks, winstrol at 50mg/day for 6 weeks and cycle it together with clen. DJ is right with the liver toxicity so perhaps run winstrol injectable instead of the oral winstrol.

Clen will be cycled two weeks on, 2 weeks off
week 1 - ramp up from 40mcg to 100mcg
week 2 - 100mcg
week 3 - 4 - off
week 5 - 6 - ramp from 80mcg to 100mcg

Think about getting betasleep or ketotifen to up-regulate beta-receptors as clen will cause these recpetors to down regulate. If you run this then you can run the clen 4 weeks on with maybe a week off.

Super! Thank you very much for your input! I do not want to put on bulk, really just lean cut little more mass. So seems this stack is great for that purpose. I already have the Clen and have some Adco-Zetofen as well. I am going to get some injectable Winstrol. That means I am set!!! :evil:

DJ wrote: to be 100% honest i wouldnt run superdrol with any other oral, this is gonna be a bad idea for your liver and kidneys,i have used 20mg of superdrol before and fuck me it worked me hard...use one or the other. not both together,just my opinion.

Guys, Superdrol is powerful stuff and very under rated. Not many guys have used it as far as I can gather and those who have all agree. Its often confused with super anadrol and ppl tend to think its the same. IMO it kicks dbol's ass.

DJ just used 20mg and he felt it. I've only used it once and @ 40mg a day. Hit my system and kidneys so bad I had to stop taking them after two weeks. Have never seen my urine that colour before and it scared the shit outa me! It is on the forum here sumwhere.

So, u have been warned.

P.s. Don't get me wrong, the stuff is excellent. Just not something to fuck around with.

MCJ wrote:

DJ wrote: to be 100% honest i wouldnt run superdrol with any other oral, this is gonna be a bad idea for your liver and kidneys,i have used 20mg of superdrol before and fuck me it worked me hard...use one or the other. not both together,just my opinion.

Guys, Superdrol is powerful stuff and very under rated. Not many guys have used it as far as I can gather and those who have all agree. Its often confused with super anadrol and ppl tend to think its the same. IMO it kicks dbol's ass.

DJ just used 20mg and he felt it. I've only used it once and @ 40mg a day. Hit my system and kidneys so bad I had to stop taking them after two weeks. Have never seen my urine that colour before and it scared the shit outa me! It is on the forum here sumwhere.

So, u have been warned.

P.s. Don't get me wrong, the stuff is excellent. Just not something to fuck around with.

Out of curiosity, what would you rank more potent? 50mg naps or 40mg sdrol ed? Sounds like something I should be using :silly:

MCJ wrote:

DJ wrote: to be 100% honest i wouldnt run superdrol with any other oral, this is gonna be a bad idea for your liver and kidneys,i have used 20mg of superdrol before and fuck me it worked me hard...use one or the other. not both together,just my opinion.

Guys, Superdrol is powerful stuff and very under rated. Not many guys have used it as far as I can gather and those who have all agree. Its often confused with super anadrol and ppl tend to think its the same. IMO it kicks dbol's ass.

DJ just used 20mg and he felt it. I've only used it once and @ 40mg a day. Hit my system and kidneys so bad I had to stop taking them after two weeks. Have never seen my urine that colour before and it scared the shit outa me! It is on the forum here sumwhere.

So, u have been warned.

P.s. Don't get me wrong, the stuff is excellent. Just not something to fuck around with.

I am definitely going to start off with a low dose, probably 10mg p/d and see how I do, before I increase my dose. I will also keep a close eye on my urine and skin colour. Definitely going to run a good liver protection (Livotib) I believe is good and plenty of water and good diet.

jakes wrote:

MCJ wrote:

DJ wrote: to be 100% honest i wouldnt run superdrol with any other oral, this is gonna be a bad idea for your liver and kidneys,i have used 20mg of superdrol before and fuck me it worked me hard...use one or the other. not both together,just my opinion.

Guys, Superdrol is powerful stuff and very under rated. Not many guys have used it as far as I can gather and those who have all agree. Its often confused with super anadrol and ppl tend to think its the same. IMO it kicks dbol's ass.

DJ just used 20mg and he felt it. I've only used it once and @ 40mg a day. Hit my system and kidneys so bad I had to stop taking them after two weeks. Have never seen my urine that colour before and it scared the shit outa me! It is on the forum here sumwhere.

So, u have been warned.

P.s. Don't get me wrong, the stuff is excellent. Just not something to fuck around with.

Out of curiosity, what would you rank more potent? 50mg naps or 40mg sdrol ed? Sounds like something I should be using :silly:

Can't really make that comparison as the two work very differently. On toxicity I would rate them almost the same.

But can't compare superdrol to anaps strength gain. Anaps risk of various side effects is prominent.
Superdrol has minimal water retension unlike anadrol.

That's just my personal opinion

Roidrat07 wrote:

MCJ wrote:

DJ wrote: to be 100% honest i wouldnt run superdrol with any other oral, this is gonna be a bad idea for your liver and kidneys,i have used 20mg of superdrol before and fuck me it worked me hard...use one or the other. not both together,just my opinion.

Guys, Superdrol is powerful stuff and very under rated. Not many guys have used it as far as I can gather and those who have all agree. Its often confused with super anadrol and ppl tend to think its the same. IMO it kicks dbol's ass.

DJ just used 20mg and he felt it. I've only used it once and @ 40mg a day. Hit my system and kidneys so bad I had to stop taking them after two weeks. Have never seen my urine that colour before and it scared the shit outa me! It is on the forum here sumwhere.

So, u have been warned.

P.s. Don't get me wrong, the stuff is excellent. Just not something to fuck around with.

I am definitely going to start off with a low dose, probably 10mg p/d and see how I do, before I increase my dose. I will also keep a close eye on my urine and skin colour. Definitely going to run a good liver protection (Livotib) I believe is good and plenty of water and good diet.

As with any cycle a good liver support and fluid intake is essential. However with superdol, as with substances like tren, I'd advice u to get a good dosage of cranberry extract daily as its the kidneys that take the most strain.

Personally I feel 10mg is too little. 20mg will be just fine if u take all the precautions.

As for using Sdrol with winny, high dosages of tren etc is a no.

MCJ wrote: Personally I feel 10mg is too little. 20mg will be just fine if u take all the precautions.

As for using Sdrol with winny, high dosages of tren etc is a no.

I have started with 10mg empty stomach this morning. So far no hassles, no discolouration in urine. I am going to take another 10mg just before training tonight. I'll see how it goes.

Roidrat07 wrote:

MCJ wrote: Personally I feel 10mg is too little. 20mg will be just fine if u take all the precautions.

As for using Sdrol with winny, high dosages of tren etc is a no.

I have started with 10mg empty stomach this morning. So far no hassles, no discolouration in urine. I am going to take another 10mg just before training tonight. I'll see how it goes.

LOL!
It will take a few days mate. That's if u even notice anything at all.

THANK YOU ALL for you wonderful help and assistance. I will follow the advice given here. I will report back with my results so others can benefit from my experience as well.