PCT start date

I'm trying to understand when is the best time to start PCT after a cycle.

LLewellyn refers to a study done in 1975 where male subjects were given testosterone enanthate injections of 250 mg weekly for 21 weeks. Subjects remained under investigation for an additional 18 weeks after the drug was discontinued.

Findings once steroid withdrawn:

LH rose after 3 weeks. LH rebounds quickly on its own post-cycle, without help. Plus, there is not an elevated level of estrogen for anti-estrogens to block during this window, as testosterone (now suppressed) is a major substrate used for the synthesis of estrogens in men. Any estrogen rebound that occurs post-cycle, likewise, happens with a rebound in testosterone levels, not prior to it. Test rose after 10 weeks, without help.

I fed this into the PCT calc :



1st red line - LH rises
2nd red line - Test rise

The PCT calc indicates PCT start when test falls to 100 in the calc.
Starting PCT 3 x Test E half life is after 30 days (assuming 10 days half life), when test is around 25 in the calc

I'm trying to understand:
What a 46 year old mans test levels are (Generally when off cycle), compared to the level of 25 when starting after waiting 3 x Test E half life.

Is the PCT calc incorrect by indicating PCT start when test below 100?

Thanks

at 46 PCT may be innefective anyway (natural test too low), and TRT when off cycle may just be the way forward... lucky for you Oom Jack is an expert on all things TRT and knows everything about steroids for people in the advanced stages of live.

Best would be to go for a checkup, have bloods done so that you can see what your test levels are. Then you can make a decision. If you have a medical aid, tell your doctor that you have absolutely no sexdrive or energy and that it's starting to influence your work and quality of life. If he has a heart he'll put you on testosterone therapy. Pharma grade and your medical aid will pay

Thanks for the replies; no I'm not old at 46

Just finished a 10 week Test cyp cycle (first one). Now waiting for PCT: 12 x 3 = 36 days from last pin.

Was wondering about the logic behind when to start PCT.

Okay I'll put it in a simple way - the test you inject build up in your system right, and for a pct to work the drugs in your system have to be low enough so that your body can produce its own test again right. So you wait three times the compounds half life..

jakes wrote: Okay I'll put it in a simple way - the test you inject build up in your system right, and for a pct to work the drugs in your system have to be low enough so that your body can produce its own test again right. So you wait three times the compounds half life..

Yes, if you start PCT too soon it will be ineffective since the negative feedback loop will still be in full swing. Start too late and you will have a little low libido and might not be anabolic enough to hold on to some of your gains.

Yes I know that, what level is the trigger point to start PCT? Is there a rule of thumb number like the PCT calc seems to indicate (below 100)?

I'm waiting out the 3 x half life of Test C and will then do Clomid (100mg) x 7 days followed by Nolvadex (20mg) x 30 days.

Will then go for blood works. Sucks aging and TRT may be an option. Feel fine for now and happy with my gains. Planning on doing another Test C and Proviron cycle after a 2-3month off cycle.

Jakes, you really arent a chop, you just badly wanted to be on steroids for the rest of your life...

admin wrote:

jakes wrote: Okay I'll put it in a simple way - the test you inject build up in your system right, and for a pct to work the drugs in your system have to be low enough so that your body can produce its own test again right. So you wait three times the compounds half life..

Yes, if you start PCT too soon it will be ineffective since the negative feedback loop will still be in full swing. Start too late and you will have a little low libido and might not be anabolic enough to hold on to some of your gains.

A little off topic but at what rate does the compounds build up in your body? Just curious...
Let's say you pin test @ 900mg for 12 week, what amount esterfied hormone will be in your system by week 12

Thunderbeast wrote: Jakes, you really arent a chop, you just badly wanted to be on steroids for the rest of your life...

Lol bro I feel kak during pct ey, my work and relationships suffer under it... But I decided to stick to the safe way so 15week cycles for me. Then a month of feeling kak

jakes wrote:

admin wrote:

jakes wrote: Okay I'll put it in a simple way - the test you inject build up in your system right, and for a pct to work the drugs in your system have to be low enough so that your body can produce its own test again right. So you wait three times the compounds half life..

Yes, if you start PCT too soon it will be ineffective since the negative feedback loop will still be in full swing. Start too late and you will have a little low libido and might not be anabolic enough to hold on to some of your gains.

A little off topic but at what rate does the compounds build up in your body? Just curious...
Let's say you pin test @ 900mg for 12 week, what amount esterfied hormone will be in your system by week 12

go look at pct calculator on bfit4free... it will give you some idea.

jakes wrote:

admin wrote:

jakes wrote: Okay I'll put it in a simple way - the test you inject build up in your system right, and for a pct to work the drugs in your system have to be low enough so that your body can produce its own test again right. So you wait three times the compounds half life..

Yes, if you start PCT too soon it will be ineffective since the negative feedback loop will still be in full swing. Start too late and you will have a little low libido and might not be anabolic enough to hold on to some of your gains.

A little off topic but at what rate does the compounds build up in your body? Just curious...
Let's say you pin test @ 900mg for 12 week, what amount esterfied hormone will be in your system by week 12

900mg Test E pin every 7 day = Day 85: 1799.8mg

Ill check it out thanks bud. Thanks ibanez. Interesting stuff. How were your gains on cycle?

Jakes, was my first cycle ... really enjoyed it as an older guy.

Visible gains and it also jacked up my quality of life. Busy waiting till PCT - then time off, but can't wait to do another cycle.

For now I feel fine (no depression or any sides). Recovery after a workout not as fast as when I was on; also miss the amazing snoozes when on.

I know I need to wait between cycles .. 2months minimal after PCT? Was on for 10weeks. Cycle 2 waiting for me in my safe.

The general thought is to take the same amount of time off as you were on... So 2 months is basically fine. Then your 100's again and it gives you time to plan and prepare for your next cycle. Going to run with test cyp again bud? Run it 12 weeks this time

I was planning on test cyp 250mg every 4 days + proviron, proviron run up to 3 days before PCT start. The test works out to 2 vials, covering 10 weeks. Then clomid, Nolvadex PCT, starting with 500IU HCG every 2nd day (10 pins).

12 weeks? better gains?

ibanez wrote: I was planning on test cyp 250mg every 4 days + proviron, proviron run up to 3 days before PCT start. The test works out to 2 vials, covering 10 weeks. Then clomid, Nolvadex PCT, starting with 500IU HCG every 2nd day (10 pins).

12 weeks? better gains?

you can still kickstart that with dbol if you want to...what dose proviron?

The proviron is a nice compound to have in the cycle but it won't make a huge difference. What dose did you run during your first cycle?
I'd do the following
1-12: 600mg test e (300mg twice weekly)
1-4: 40mg dbol ed
12-16: winnie 30mg ed
The winni is there as a bridge between cycle and pct.
Aromasin is optional, this will elimanate water retention.

Bo you'll basically need 30ml test 2, 200 anabol pienkies, 100winni pills. (You'll have some winni, test and dbol left you can use on the following cycle then)

Sorry, thought you meant hcg during cycle. Misread