Second cycle advice

hi all, am looking at taking my second cycle beg of next year so need as much advice as possible. i took the beginners cycle early this year with great results accept for the slight gyno. so i do need something to counter act that. i will be starting my clen cycle in a month or 2 too loose some bf etc. i am looking at taking something a little stronger than the begginers cycle, looking at test cyp and deca. upon my first coarse i front loaded with dbol @ 40mg per day and suffered high blood pressure of note. was thinking of taking 1000mg of cyp with deca? not sure on the dosage of deca though. then the normal pct will follow. any suggestions?

sorry mods. please move to cycle discussion. many thanks

use letro to keep estrogen sides at bay.1000mg of test on a 2nd cycle???thats madness.your 2nd cycle you canstill get great results if you use your first cycle again just maybe extend it.what is your definition of a normal pct????give some stats:age,weight,time training...will be able to help more with that info

VonD wrote: use letro to keep estrogen sides at bay.1000mg of test on a 2nd cycle???thats madness.your 2nd cycle you canstill get great results if you use your first cycle again just maybe extend it.what is your definition of a normal pct????give some stats:age,weight,time training...will be able to help more with that info

age 25
height 1.8
weight 86kg
training 2 years
bf +- 20% will come down soon.

well pct will be proviron and winnie, followed by clomid and kessar.i previously ran the first cycle for 12 weeks, as i know test cyp takes between 5-6 weeks to get into ur system and steady ur blood levels etc. should i use a diff type of test then?

proviron and winstrol to bridge.pct i would recommend clomid 100mg a day for a week.nolva @ 20mg for 30days and hcg @250ui every second day as soon as you start nolva.test cyp is fine extend your cycle to 15weeks.

VonD wrote: proviron and winstrol to bridge.pct i would recommend clomid 100mg a day for a week.nolva @ 20mg for 30days and hcg @250ui every second day as soon as you start nolva.test cyp is fine extend your cycle to 15weeks.

would you recommend throwing in some deca with the cycle, as want to stay away from dbol.

dbol is used to front load where as deca is a mass builder and it needs to be run for at least 14weeks as it takes a while to kick in.rather swap dbol for turinabol.i would only use deca in a 3rd cycle.

@Von D....Letro is ineffective with deca.

I would add equipoise instead of deca but thats If you really want to add sumthin else. If deca is all u have or able to get then I wud say 400mg p/w minimum for growth,and run it for more than 10 weeks imo.then run ur test at 500/600mg pw. Deca requires a new pct structure so check out Doctaris pct protocol nd get that sorted 1st.

MCJ wrote: @Von D....Letro is ineffective with deca.

i know but i was referring to the question he asked "beginners cycle early this year with great results accept for the slight gyno" it was not directed at deca but thanks for clarifying.

Halfhuman08 wrote: I would add equipoise instead of deca but thats If you really want to add sumthin else. If deca is all u have or able to get then I wud say 400mg p/w minimum for growth,and run it for more than 10 weeks imo.then run ur test at 500/600mg pw. Deca requires a new pct structure so check out Doctaris pct protocol nd get that sorted 1st.

if i added equipoise am i still able to run letro? the bottom line is i need something to counter act the etrogen. coz im gyno prone.

i am under correction but equi needs to be run for 16weeks for good results.which could turn out to be expensive and for a 2nd cycle it might be a bit harsh.if you choose deca you will need to run it for at least 15weeks and add some arimidex for side's.

VonD wrote: i am under correction but equi needs to be run for 16weeks for good results.which could turn out to be expensive and for a 2nd cycle it might be a bit harsh.if you choose deca you will need to run it for at least 15weeks and add some arimidex for side's.

sounds good. all i want is to have better results than the first cycle i took,as i expected more and bigger gains from it.
im looking at a good yet efficient cycle. i hear of so many people in gym taking deca and sustonance, is that any good? all advice is welcome, as i want to make the correct choice regarding my 2nd cycle.

travy wrote:

VonD wrote: i am under correction but equi needs to be run for 16weeks for good results.which could turn out to be expensive and for a 2nd cycle it might be a bit harsh.if you choose deca you will need to run it for at least 15weeks and add some arimidex for side's.

sounds good. all i want is to have better results than the first cycle i took,as i expected more and bigger gains from it.
im looking at a good yet efficient cycle. i hear of so many people in gym taking deca and sustonance, is that any good? all advice is welcome, as i want to make the correct choice regarding my 2nd cycle.

How much did you gain during your first cycle and howmuch did you keep from that up until now?

you can use anything but DIET is the key to success or failure.here is a cycle i would recommend.

test cyp @ 500mg-week 1-15
turinabol @60-80mg per day-week 1-4 weeks
winstrol oral@ 40-50mg per day-week 13-18 with liver support(Bridging)
proviron @50 throughout the cycle till pct starts.

letro for any side's

pct:36days after last test shot

clomid 100mg -1week
nolva@20mg-30days
hcg@250ui every 2nd day starting the day nolva starts.

VonD wrote: you can use anything but DIET is the key to success or failure.here is a cycle i would recommend.

test cyp @ 500mg-week 1-15
turinabol @60-80mg per day-week 1-4 weeks
winstrol oral@ 40-50mg per day-week 13-18 with liver support(Bridging)
proviron @50 throughout the cycle till pct starts.

letro for any side's

pct:36days after last test shot

clomid 100mg -1week
nolva@20mg-30days
hcg@250ui every 2nd day starting the day nolva starts.

correct, det is the key i know. to be honest never have heard of turnabol? will google quickly. cycle looks good though.

travy wrote:

VonD wrote: i am under correction but equi needs to be run for 16weeks for good results.which could turn out to be expensive and for a 2nd cycle it might be a bit harsh.if you choose deca you will need to run it for at least 15weeks and add some arimidex for side's.

sounds good. all i want is to have better results than the first cycle i took,as i expected more and bigger gains from it.
im looking at a good yet efficient cycle. i hear of so many people in gym taking deca and sustonance, is that any good? all advice is welcome, as i want to make the correct choice regarding my 2nd cycle.

hahaha, ya you will need plenty of sustanance (i.e food) with the deca. Think you meant sustanon.

I know you've decided not to do deca but just to clarify that deca causes prolactin and progesterone side effects, testosterone and other androgenic steroids cause estrogen side effects. When running heavy deca (or tren & npp) cycles it's a good idea to run a anti-prolactin compound like cabasor to prevent any prolactin sides like prolactin gyno.

VonD wrote: you can use anything but DIET is the key to success or failure.

I agree 100% with VonD, I guess we all do...lol.

On my 1st cycle I used Sustonan 250, Deca 300 and front loaded with D-boll and ended with Winny inj. I gained 4kg in my 1st week, another 1kg the 2nd week and 2 more kg the 3rd week but from there on my weight stayed the same for the rest of the cycle. It was basically just water. I kept none of these gains due to no PCT and poor diet.

I have now finished my 2nd cycle after proper research and I have only used D-bol and testocyp (same beginner cycle as you did). I have gained 8kg gradually over the course of 11 weeks with much less bloat. I have now dropped only two kg which means I kept 6 of the 8kg gained and my bf% dropped by 2% due to proper diet.

Using more gear does not guarantee better results. A better diet with less gear will give you much better results than more gear and a poor diet.

Just my 2c.

@travy sorry to say but at +-20% bf and thinking of doing clen to get that down tells me that your eating is much to debate here, hence why your first cycle didn't go as hoped. Eat right = proper gains. Work on that first before you do your second cycle and you will reap the rewards

1. Diet from DJ
2. 500mg Cyp
3. 400mg Primo

20 weeks