Frontloading with equipoise

Hi guys, I know this was discussed somewhere far back in the past, but I just cannot find it now.

Has anybody on here ever frontloaded using equipoise? by doubling the dose in the first 2 weeks and then continuing with the normal dosage from there onwards?

Is it safe to do? and can it effectively be done this way to shorten the cycle time? as equi cycles tend to be long...

Don't see the point, it isn't going to get it to work any quicker... As you need to wait for it to 'stabalize' in the blood aswell as become effective

I have - 2 ml twice per week. 2.5 weeks in i was freaking out with some of the worst anxiety i have ever experienced. I'd go less than 2 weeks at double(max ie 700mg IMO) dose.

Holy crap rabbit, 4ml twice/week. That like 2800mg/week. I'm surprised you didn't turn into a horse!! :woohoo:

STUARTF wrote: Holy crap rabbit, 4ml twice/week. That like 2800mg/week. I'm surprised you didn't turn into a horse!! :woohoo:

Sorry make that 2ml twice/week - ill edit. Double max dose - thats 1400mg

jackrabbit1 wrote:

STUARTF wrote: Holy crap rabbit, 4ml twice/week. That like 2800mg/week. I'm surprised you didn't turn into a horse!! :woohoo:

Sorry make that 2ml twice/week - ill edit. Double max dose - thats 1400mg

Still....that's a lot of horse juice!!!

Thats allot of EQ and allot of anxiety

700mg/week max for me - and even then i have small patches of anxiety - i dont think you will see results on less.

2 weeks of double dose to get plasma levels at max.

Oom jack, are you saying that a (normal) dose of less than 700mg would not be effective?

I find from 400mg of EQ it starts to work nicely.. Jack has destroyed his receptors and requires serious amounts og gear to achieve results. You can take 500/700mg and get insane results.

00pump wrote: I find from 400mg of EQ it starts to work nicely.. Jack has destroyed his receptors and requires serious amounts og gear to achieve results. You can take 500/700mg and get insane results.

Need receptors? body just creates more. Some people have more than others - the lucky ones.
And if my receptors were shot i wouldn't have had such great results from the Primo course i did a month or so back. Or from the NPP....

I just dont rate EQ - at all. And im not alone.

Well AAS actually passes through the cell membrane -> into the hormone receptor.. so A + R = formation or increase of the cell nucleus. If you take large amounts of gear all your life, you will continue to need to take high amounts.. Just like you become insulin resistant even as a type 1 diabetic (the receptors just do not absorb the insulin), the same happens with AAS, and you need to take huge amounts of gear to achieve the same results of someone who has taken safe doses their whole life. Most people can live off 500mg of Test alone as their cycle for the rest of their life and achieve great results. More AAS != bigger muscles.

Well in that case lucky me only experimented with higher dosages in the last year and half or so. On top of that i only really started using on and off 4 years ago. If my receptors are "shot" its from some other cause.

But... "Testosterones anabolic/androgenic effects are dose dependant, the higher the dose the higher the muscle building effect"

Read more: www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Cypionate.php#ixzz1aeohvXFV

Anyway - my search is complete - i found what works for me at this age. Now its experimenting with dosage and duration.

00pump. Since this is eq we are talking about, would it be ok to run 525mg eq with only 320mg of supertest? As I (like you) want to stay away from aromatisable steroids as much as I can. What AI would you reccomend and at what dose? (I have small lumps of gyno)

EQ aromatizes at half the rate of Test, so yes, 525mg will be great, expect results from around week 6, strength might come in week 4+. 320mg of Test is more than enough, I have done a similar cycle with 100mg test and achieved great results... The EQ will really help with the injection pain some get while using SuperTest.

I would use LiquidDex from LP, it's extremely effective, more so than Letro in my opinion... 3-5 drops EoD.

00pump wrote: EQ aromatizes at half the rate of Test, so yes, 525mg will be great, expect results from around week 6, strength might come in week 4+. 320mg of Test is more than enough, I have done a similar cycle with 100mg test and achieved great results... The EQ will really help with the injection pain some get while using SuperTest.

I would use LiquidDex from LP, it's extremely effective, more so than Letro in my opinion... 3-5 drops EoD.

. I take it that liquidex and adex is the same thing? Or is this a different product? As I have never heard you dalk about liquidex before... (liquid arimidex I presume?)

00pump wrote: Don't see the point, it isn't going to get it to work any quicker... As you need to wait for it to 'stabalize' in the blood aswell as become effective

Mmmm not sure I agree with you on this one 00pump. Let's use 500mg Test E as an example, usually it'll take 4 weeks for it to stabilise in the blood and so at that poin you'll have 500mg test flowing through your veins.

Now if we double that dose by frontloading to 1000mg, it'll take the same 4 weeks for it to stabilise but you'll have 1000mg of test in your system this time. So if we assume that the relationship is linear, after 2 weeks you'll have about 500mg in your system. So theoretically it makes sense to fronload then?

No, you want to 'stabalize plazma levels' you don't want them all over the place, hence the reason we never pyrimid anymore... And again regardless how much 'EQ' is in your system, it is very slow acting, so taking double the does not mean it will get to work twice as quick... And now you drop from 1000mg to 500mg the plazma levels will not be stable, going from 500 -> 1000mg would stablize allot quicker than from 1000mg to 500mg.

Yeah agree that pyramiding will mess with blood plasma levels and will result in sides. But the rate at which it takes for the ester to clear and thus the test to take effect is always constant. It works the same for PCT in which it doesn't matter what dose you run but the PCT start time will remain the same, because the ester will always clear at the same time irrepsective of dose

Goatman you becoming really good at all this, you probably the most educated non gear user i know

My best results on Equi was also at 700mg/ week