better of the two

hey guys....

just wanted to know which one of the two is better, winstrol or clen, or is it better to take both at the same time to aid better with fat loss and toning...

better yet, what would a good combo be for toning and fat loss along with muscle gain...

thanks guys


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they are on two different levels... the one is AAS and the other is a fat burner.. You need to do more research bud.

hey, thanks dude...

the reason why i ask is because i heard so much about these two specific products, i was using eph, but somehow i dont think i had the right one....

im thinking about getting me some dbol as well as winstrol for the least simply to aid me in getting beyond this plateau i am on at the moment...

what would your suggestions be then chapel?

I'd suggest the same thing chapel does, a little more research bud.

More research being done as we speak

Although suggestions of what the bst products would be will be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys

It all depends on what exactly your goals are.
You can't ask a que like which is better clen or winstrol. They are two completely different compounds. That do two completely different things. Research, and then tell us exactly what u wanna do and how you plan on doing it and then maybr wE can guide u and give u some advice.

Hi sorry, I'm wanting to use it for fat loss and toning as well as gaining muscle mass...still researching. Finding products like anavar and primo something something

Just diet, proper training and cardio bud. Clen or eca stck will help in speed it up to some extent. But it comes down to how good your diet and training is.

Thanks bud. Been doing high intensity cardio in the beginning and at the end of each workout for 30mins each. Maybe I should push double that. And been dieting for 3-4 months and still not much difference.

But will give it another month or two, with some clen, maybe that will be the aiding product. Lol. And what about Primobolan? Any review on this? Yay? Nay? Or anavar?

toby30 wrote: Thanks bud. Been doing high intensity cardio in the beginning and at the end of each workout for 30mins each. Maybe I should push double that. And been dieting for 3-4 months and still not much difference.

But will give it another month or two, with some clen, maybe that will be the aiding product. Lol. And what about Primobolan? Any review on this? Yay? Nay? Or anavar?

your're just looking for a quick fix... change your ways son! or be doomed!

how can you lift properly after 30 min high intensity cardio?

do a 45min morning session and 20 post workout...

Toby, you're diet and training is where the difference comes in!

Your cardio is way too much around workout time. You're burning all the stored energy with that pre workout cardio so there's nothing left to build muscle.

vega5 wrote: Toby, you're diet and training is where the difference comes in!

Your cardio is way too much around workout time. You're burning all the stored energy with that pre workout cardio so there's nothing left to build muscle.

Totally agreed, try cardio in the morning or after gym session. Eat right and you will see the results you want, if you're not seeing it by the way you eating now then your diet is definitly wrong. Email admin and get DJ's email. Trust me he knows what he's doing. You won't regret it!!

so rather do cardio in the morning for 45 min and a short 10min session before workout to get the heart rate up?

AFTER your workout

so either in the morning or after gym session....noted. will enforce this as of monday.thanks for the help guys

toby30 wrote: so either in the morning or after gym session....noted. will enforce this as of monday.thanks for the help guys

look at what thunderbeast suggested bud.

thanks bud, will do as thunderfreak suggests....

Bud, you got good advice here. To me it sounds like you have a problem with your diet. At the end of the day if too many calories in and not enough calories burnt, you will not lose weight. Google ketogenic diet, it is a good "fast" way of losing some excess fat.