Anything better than winstrol with less sides?help

Hi guys, I'm looking for something that does the same thing as winni or even better but with less sides...need some help pls guys...

What's this "thing" you are looking for and which side-effects are you trying to avoid?

It's impossible for us to recommend anything unless we know which property of Winstrol you are after.

Sorry bout that... Ok well liked how ripped I got on winni. I used nomad winstrol, shot 1ml EOD. Got strong and cut. Veins came out and looked gr8. But I play soccer and then got shins splints and shin pump which made it close to impossible to run... Also skin broke out a bit on winni as well...
I was thinking of maybe trying test prop, I know it won't get me ripped like winni but was looking into it. Broke my hand just over month ago.. Wiating for the doc to give me the go ahead with gym etc... So want to put more mass on my chest and legs but want to be ripped... A lot to ask for but what u suggest I do..

Ur best option is prob test prop. I know what u want - u wanna be a cut mother fugger and be fit so when u take ur t shirt off on the field people go wow check that oke out...If u cant take winni then u not gonna be able to take anything else that relates to cutting.

And test prop will give me good results? Then it will even help with my fitness levels and it will also cut me a bit? Or must I take something with it.. Maybe a supplement so I can avoid the side effects from an additional roid.. Something like Heat, or something? Taking R3 lifes GHRP(growth hormone releasing program). Boosts own natural GH..

Yeah i'd say test prop is the answer hey. GH is another option but I dont know how that would effect ur cardio vascularity (if thats a word)

I'd personally stick with test prop. I dont think u need anything else to be honest.

SNOK1986 wrote: Yeah i'd say test prop is the answer hey. GH is another option but I dont know how that would effect ur cardio vascularity (if thats a word)

I'd personally stick with test prop. I dont think u need anything else to be honest.

haha, I would think "cardio vascularity" means when you get massive veins bulging on your chest.

STUARTF wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote: Yeah i'd say test prop is the answer hey. GH is another option but I dont know how that would effect ur cardio vascularity (if thats a word)

I'd personally stick with test prop. I dont think u need anything else to be honest.

haha, I would think "cardio vascularity" means when you get massive veins bulging on your chest.

WAHHAHAHAHAH

Ok so if I just use test prop what would u suggest my dosage be? I heard its effective from 300mgs a week. So that's 75mg EOD...will this be good enough? Or u suggest 400mgs a week? By increasing the dosage that will bring increase in side effects ryt... Wow how I wish my skin wasn't prone to acne.. Irritation...
How soon will I see results? Is there different brands of test prop, which one should I go for?

StuartF suggested this dosage:
This would be an 8 week cycle
week 1 - 8 = 100mg test prop EOD
week 1 - 8 = 100mg masteron prop EOD
week 1 - 8 = arimidex 0.5mg/day
week 9 = clomid 100mg/day
week 10 - 13 = Nolvedex 20mg/day.

So let's take out the masteron. Won't a 4-6 week course of test prop be sufficient? What kind of results can I expect with test prop and ITO strength will that increase a lot? Could proviron take the place of any of the AI's presented above?
Thanks for the help:) really appreciate it

stop worrying so much, I have one of the worst skins ever and testprop did nothing to me...
why not 9weeks? then 3 vials will work out nicely...

Serious so its mild... U used AI with it as well? And did u see good results? Don't want to pick up to much size. I'm a soccer player and don't want to become slow. How fast do u see results and strength gains good?

Hulk#12, as soon as you introduce test into a cycle you going to have to expect to put on some size. That's the whole point of taken steroids in the first place isn't it? If you just want to lean up and get ultra-ripped then rather stick to a well-structured diet and fat-burners.

That being said, test prop is a great steroid and you will pick up lots of strength, for me it all starts to happen around week 3. The results will be different to winstrol, your muscles will 'full' out, rather than 'harden up' like with winstrol.

Test prop is run every second day (EOD) - or every other day @ 100mg (1ml). If you start pinning prop everyday you'll have problems sitting down as prop injections are renowned for being quite painful, especially if it's your first time.

Test prop is what I will be doing:) I know that there will be some size involved but just as long as Its not huge... I'll keep diet clean and lean and hit the prop!
Friend was telling me about the effects with black market juice. This is what he said:' Found out about acne and juice. It's from using black market juice, they've got something in them which blocks receptors n can take from 6 months to 2 years to clear and whenever u use any other juice the sides come out fast cause of the back log in ur system. Nomad n axio in particular. If u buy go for quality over quantity and get the pharmacuetical(human) grade stuff.'

What are your views on this? How would I get hold of human grade stuff without a prescription? What sort of price am I looking at here?

with the prop is it painful like winstrol? I lived on anti inflammatory throughout cycle. 1st 2 weeks were the worst. Got better after that.

hahaha, that makes me lag. Please go and strangle the oke who told you that.
Testosterone is testosterone no matter if it is pharma grade or UG lab. All testosterone will convert to estrogen and will possibly cause acne, gyno, water retention etc. There is no "magic" testosterone that doesn't aromatize. Shit quality brands will just underdose & overprice there test products. With pharma grade you are guaranteed 100% quality but you pay a fortune and need a doc's persciption.

Ya, first couple will probably be sore, depends how you react, but if you had pain from winny you'll prob have pain from prop.

I would go get some more anti-inflamms

Haha sweet I'll start stocking up on the anti inflams!! No pain no gain:) I'll go kick my friends head in as well lol!

How much am I looking at spending on a vial of test prop? Then I'll need arimedex? Clomid and proviron or nolvadex? Proviron is cheap...

I have a good supplier and his prices are best iv come across, just wanting to compare. I live in pretoria so another supplier recommendation would be cool as well.

1 last thing, what brand(manufacturer) of test prop must I get? And I'll run test prop between 6-8 weeks.

Jeez Hulk#12, are you looking to get banned. READ THE RULES. No asking for prices or suppliers.

Oh... Wow my bad forgot to read the rules.. Apologies. Now I know haha... Ok well then make of test prop? And the other questions? I am busy using Biogens anti oxidant and tetralysal and its helping clear my skin.. Maybe I should go on a short course of accutane, start this week and run it about 2 weeks before starting test prop and then go for a month after test prop just so I can avoid the acne effects and just make sure!! And once again thanks for all the help!

U the man! No homo!

Stick with PGW & I think a coarse of accutane will be a good idea for you.

Good luck.