cycle length

Hey guys just wanting to know how long could I run deca and test e at 400mg and 500mg respectively...right now its 12 weeks deca and 14 weeks test,just wondering if I could extend it...btw its my first cycle...thanks guys

Deca @ 400mg on your first cycle??? Thats a bit hectic...
What have your gains been like?

You could probably extend to 16 weeks... But i would leave it at where you are now.... as Deca shuts you down HARD, so, you dont wanna be shut down for toooo long... Have you been taking HCG during the cycle?
I hope you have a really good pct in place!

You could switch to Winny and Test Prop for 4 weeks to harden everything up and then after the required break period, do the PCT.

Lol it does sound hectic, what I meant is that I planned on running it for 14 weeks test and 12 weeks deca...currently on week 5...to me it makes sense to run the cycle longer cos since both are long esters and take in some time "kick in" but just needed some more thoughts on the matter,for pct I plan on doing doctari's pct (clomid kessar and ovidrel).

As said above, Include HCG @ 500Iu Every 4th day to you dont get shut down too hard, and alsoMaybe some proviron from week 8/9 to keep water down.
12 weeks max for Deca i think, especially as you are a first time user! The deca should kick in from week 4/5. So, you have 7 weeks max to make the absolute most of this cycle.

Will take your advice thank you...as for the proviron I started taking it from day 1...but Mr_sa how much could a person really grow in 7 weeks?not being cheeky or anything but 7 weeks doesn't soumd like a lot

The Average Bodybuilder puts on only around 4kg's of LEAN MUSCLE a year...

You cant really ask by how much you will grow, as its dependant on so many factors! Eating, Training, Rest, Supplements, Your Body itself, Genetics etc etc.

The main thing is to have your diet right, as you can take as much gear as you want, but if your diet is not right, you wasting your time.

With the 7 weeks, i meant that the deca will be in full force in your body for the next 7 weeks, push as hard as you can with the strength increase advantage you will have.

Thanks mr_sa...btw hav you done this cycle before?if yes how were the gains after pct?deca shuts you down pretty hard but with a good pct you could keep 70 - 80 % of the gains right?

I have done Deca and Sust, but have used Test E before.
Remember, Deca gives you alot of water retention, so, once you lose the water, you will see whats left, and should keep 80% or maybe more if you stick to your PCT spot on!
But, to help this, start with the HCG NOW!

Diet and training AFTER your cycle also plays a key role in keeping gains.

When you refer to diet after the cycle what do you mean exactly?like eating more or cutting down on carbs and increasing protein?...also with the training part should you train for shorter periods but keeping the same intensity?thanks

Well, you need to maintain your calorie intake after your cycle... Carbs would decrease slightly, and protein increase slightly, but the worse mistake some people make is dropping calories drastically after a cycle.. Remember, the Deca would remain for quite some time in your system still once you have stopped the cycle.
Your training should be the same intensity, but expect the weights that you have been pushing to decrease slightly.

When you said the deca will remain in your system for a long time...exactly how long?and will it still be effective in that period like will it help me to grow?

Copied this off another site:

Basically every drug has a half life, steroids included. If for example, you were to inject 200mg of Decadurabolin once weekly, for 6 weeks, how would you know when you were "off"? Would you be "off" when you had finished your last dose? You would be able to calculate this from the half life of Deca. The half life of Deca is around 14 days. This means that 14 days from your last shot of 200mg of Deca, your blood levels of Deca will contain 100mg of the steroid. Another 14 days from then, i.e. 28 days from last dose, your blood levels will contain 50mg of the steroid. This amount then keeps halving every 14 days. Therefore you can clearly see that when you finish your cycle, even though you are not putting any steroids into your body, you may think that you are now "off", however you still have, and will still have for some time after your last dose, "active" blood levels of the steroid. Therefore you can plan what to use, how long for, and how long off your cycle, based on these half life's.

Based on the above, you can workout the Half Life and when to start your PCT.
There is also a article on Half Life's in the forum, just do a search.

Thanks for all the help mr_sa really do appreciate it...will keep you informed on how the cycle goes...thanks again

Pleasure bud!
All the best for the rest of the cycle!