Pin Pain Sustaplex 325

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me why my arse paining like hell :pinch: ?
I use a 23G Needle with AXIO LABS SUSTAPLEX 325, i clean my hands the vial my bum everything with the alcohol wipe.
It hurts for 4 days non-stop.
Why can this be? Is it because of the concetration 325mg?

Your respnses are appreciatted

Yes that is correct its gonna have a bite to it and if u swelling up and ur bum looks like a beach ball. Then get to the chemist and get an anti inflammatory. Prob with super tests, sustaplexs if it is a high dosage u have very good chance that u gonna be in pain. If u gonna take test i always say take cyp or enan by itself. Super test and sustaplex u need something to mix with it such as equi, deca etc to dilute the test if u can put it that way.

I love Axio's Sustaplex 325. I don't totally agree with Snok though. I have never had any pain from the sustaplex only from pgw supertest and nomad prop. Think it depends from individual to individual.

Yeah no MCJ i totally agree with u as well it depends from person to person. MCJ When was the last time u had a Axio sustaplex shot? I strongly believe their quality has gone down the tubes.

probably since their lab was busted ha ha

Supertest can be a massive pain in the arse! Haha I would know. I have made so many posts regarding the pain. It does subside fairley quickley. A voltaren shot every 4 days will be great and they are cheap which helps. Just don't try inject in the quad if you are not used to it, you won't walk for a day or two.

I agree with Snok and MCJ 100%. Everyone is different ad react differently to certain compouds. I always attribute inj pain to high Benzyl Alcohol content in the compoud that is found in most steroids and acts as a preservative. Also most short-acting compouds (propionates, acetates & waterbased AAS) need to be absorped quickly by the body and often leave behind crytalized solution which causes inj pain. Some other good tips to help injection pain are:
Mix with grapeseed oil (or log esters like test cyp & enan, equi as Snok mentioned)
Heat the solution up in hot water (not boiling & not in the microwave)
Inject slowly

SNOK1986 wrote: Yeah no MCJ i totally agree with u as well it depends from person to person. MCJ When was the last time u had a Axio sustaplex shot? I strongly believe their quality has gone down the tubes.

More than a year ago ey. So don't know what current quality is like

MCJ wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote: Yeah no MCJ i totally agree with u as well it depends from person to person. MCJ When was the last time u had a Axio sustaplex shot? I strongly believe their quality has gone down the tubes.

More than a year ago ey. So don't know what current quality is like

Yeah after their lab got bust must of been about 6 - 8 months ago i have never trusted them. I think its still axio but the equipment and procedures they using isnt the same.

Bro I used sustaplex 325 in my last cycle and damn it hurt like most of the time. Could barely sit lol
It is the high concentration...

I warmed up the oil before shooting, it made it a lot thinner and easier to inject. Also make sure you inject as slowly as possible, don't rush it.

Just suck it up buddy, I did haha! good luck

Snorker:)

How did you come to the Axio quality to conclusion?

You know me bud and people being bais on labs yada yada, not my vibe.....
Also never been the biggest Axio fan, so you know my statement comes from the right place, BUT if I gotta be completely honest right now the new batch of Axio injects landed in SA are more than good to go! Using the Primo200 now with PGW TestE, best Primo I've used hey (no doubt)!
Also great feedback off the top of my head on the Sust, TestP, TrenH, TrenE + NPP and orals always been solid! Guys really digging it hey!
Still a PGW man at the end of the day for a few reasons beyond just quality, but Axio defs a winner of a choice if you can get your hands on it hey!

Peace

there are some reasons which cause injection pain:

1) infection related - it is the most important thing.

2) the length of ester
Pain is caused when the oil/solvents are absorbed by the body and crystals are left behind.
Short esters (propionate or acetate) are harder, more painful crystals with melting points in the 100c range.A hormone with a longer esters (excluding cypionate - cyp is long but also high melting point) can have a melting point in the 20c-40c range. not far off from human body temp.

3)the concentration of the gear
Let's say it takes the body 24 hours to absorb 1mL of a certain oil/solvent blend, and 24 hours to absorb 50mg of Testosterone Propionate . If 50mg (or less) of testosterone propionate is in 1mL of that oil, this injection should be painless. On the other hand, if 100mg of testosterone propionate is in that same 1mL of solution, then after 24 hours the body will have absorbed 50mg and 1mL, leaving 50mg behind in the injection area, crystalized and painful.
Its better to shoot 3mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate than 1mL of 150mg/mL Testosterone Propionate .
This is also why water based suspensions (Testosterone base/no ester, Winstrol ) hurt the most, water is very easily absorbed in the body

4) the solvents used

Benzyl alcohol (BA) is used at 1%-2% as a preservative and antiseptic. If the alcohol content is too high the gear will burn. Pain in the first 24 hours is usually caused by heavy solvents, pain in the next few hours is usually cause by crystalization. Another way is a bad recipe. if someone used 2% BA, and the rest of the solution oil, the mg/mL would have to be low due to oil's weak ability to hold crystals. On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful.

5) the speed of injection

If you inject too quickly it can tear tissue.

6) virgin muscle

If your muscle is new to the hormone , it will absorb the hormone very slowly, but absorb the oil/solvent very quickly. This will cause more crystalization and pain. As your muscles recognize the hormones, they will be absorbed more quickly, thus less pain. The deeper you inject into the center of a muscle group, the better.

Mr Moose wrote: Snorker:)

How did you come to the Axio quality to conclusion?

You know me bud and people being bais on labs yada yada, not my vibe.....
Also never been the biggest Axio fan, so you know my statement comes from the right place, BUT if I gotta be completely honest right now the new batch of Axio injects landed in SA are more than good to go! Using the Primo200 now with PGW TestE, best Primo I've used hey (no doubt)!
Also great feedback off the top of my head on the Sust, TestP, TrenH, TrenE + NPP and orals always been solid! Guys really digging it hey!
Still a PGW man at the end of the day for a few reasons beyond just quality, but Axio defs a winner of a choice if you can get your hands on it hey!

Peace

Hey Moose long time - Yeah i came to the conclusion that if their lab was actually bust the quality of their gear and procedures where not gonna be the same - ill wait awhile and hear feedback 1st hand. Coz ive heard oh to many times - "guys have been saying good things about this and that or whatever" Its a very good marketing tool. haha..
I actually wanted to try axio out but after what i heard they got bust i dont feel comfortable for what im paying for is actually the same Axio quality it was before.

Ill wait a bit for feedback 1st hand.

Mr Moose wrote: Snorker:)

How did you come to the Axio quality to conclusion?

You know me bud and people being bais on labs yada yada, not my vibe.....
Also never been the biggest Axio fan, so you know my statement comes from the right place, BUT if I gotta be completely honest right now the new batch of Axio injects landed in SA are more than good to go! Using the Primo200 now with PGW TestE, best Primo I've used hey (no doubt)!
Also great feedback off the top of my head on the Sust, TestP, TrenH, TrenE + NPP and orals always been solid! Guys really digging it hey!
Still a PGW man at the end of the day for a few reasons beyond just quality, but Axio defs a winner of a choice if you can get your hands on it hey!

Peace

I agree my training partner is on their sustaplex and is getting good gains, also their new quality assurance vials look professional. I'm also a PGW guy but don't have a problem with Axio quality.

Koe007 wrote:

Mr Moose wrote: Snorker:)

How did you come to the Axio quality to conclusion?

You know me bud and people being bais on labs yada yada, not my vibe.....
Also never been the biggest Axio fan, so you know my statement comes from the right place, BUT if I gotta be completely honest right now the new batch of Axio injects landed in SA are more than good to go! Using the Primo200 now with PGW TestE, best Primo I've used hey (no doubt)!
Also great feedback off the top of my head on the Sust, TestP, TrenH, TrenE + NPP and orals always been solid! Guys really digging it hey!
Still a PGW man at the end of the day for a few reasons beyond just quality, but Axio defs a winner of a choice if you can get your hands on it hey!

Peace

I agree my training partner is on their sustaplex and is getting good gains, also their new quality assurance vials look professional. I'm also a PGW guy but don't have a problem with Axio quality.

Good to hear. Im gonna wait a bit for some feedback, i know about 4 okes who have just started taking axio i will wait for their cycles to be completed.