Did I stuff up? (18yo)

Hey guys,

I don't know why but I've recently started regretting my choice of taking steroids when I was 18.
I'm now 22 and have done 3 courses all in all from the age of 18. I KNOQW I could have picked up my 12kg's naturally.

I went from 93kg's to my current 105kgs.

Cycle 1 consisted of Sust and dianabol with Kessar as PCT (yes I know - not good enough PCT)
Cycle 2 consisted of Sust, Deca and dianabol with Kessar as PCT (yes I know - not good enough PCT)
Cycle 3 consisted of Equi, super test, winny, letro and Kessar and HCG as PCT.

I've put on some good size but am worried how/if this has effected me and if its going to effect me in the long run?
Will my test and esto levels ever be at a level that they are supposed to be if I hadn't taken anything?
Would I have grown more physically had I not taken roids? Im 6 foot 3" now but I dont know if I would have grown taller or wider?

The most you are going to get out of this is speculation bud. For the more important questions, you are just going to have to find out.

You probably could have got the 12.5 naturally, and look at the brightside your cycle structure wasn't dbol, anaps and winny followed up with a milk thistle and creatine PCT. So that wasn't that bad hey! a large portion of your large epiphyseal plates have sealed by 18 anyway and at 6.3 i wouldnt be worrying tbh

Why don't you go get some blood work done, get your test levels checked etc and maybe that will help with your concerns. Then at least you can look at a baseline of where you are now.

Heya, I appreciate the reply.

Haha true that! Lol, I knew some guys doing year long dbol "cycles" with milk thistle as "PCT".

I had some bloodwork done. Free test is sitting at 12.4 which is low I think with estro sitting at 138 which is high. Could I still be seeing effects on my test and estro levels even though my last course was in Jan??

I'll get a test done again in a few months time..

You can do a proper PCT like the one designed by Doctari to fix your test and estrogen levels.

Also, Deca can influence your HPTA-axis for upto two years after the cycle ended.


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Thanks for the reply admin...I'll do so asap..

What do you think about the potential long term/permanent effects that I could have done to my body?

I heard that males develop into their mid twenties? Does this even apply for someone like me that experienced puberty very early on?

I'm just worried I'll have to go on HRT/TRT therapy later on in my life...

You wont know until further down the line.. All you can do now is look after yourself, and dont abuse your body and make sure you have the money to spend on blood tests, to pickup a problem before it becomes something permenant..

What I believe every person that uses juice to have at home is a blood pressure monitor, a diabetic testing kit and some dip sticks to check for protein and blood in your urine..

The blood pressure monitor use daily, and understand your body, the blood sugar test I would do at least once a day at the same time, around 2 hours after you have eaten or on an empty stomach.. The dip stick I would do once a week and I would do it when you wake up, and the reason for that is, you have not 'flushed' your body with loads of water during the day, so you can get a more accurate reading.

Pump, what's the name of those dip sticks for testing protein in urine. I would like to get some.

Thank for the reply dude, I went and did a few tests at the doc, all seems to be in order. Choleterol is very good, blood sugar is good, heart is good.

I'll be going for a few more tests in a few months time to compare.

Lol I dont know why this is freaking me out all of a sudden...maybe im just worried I would have been taller or wider or would have looked different. Yeah I know it might sound petty....

will it still help after all this time? I have also used when I was younger and did not even use PCT, stupid I know. Anyways I was on 2 different cycles, just 50 tab/10mg Winstrol and 100tab/10mg Dianabol. This was a long time ago (12-20 months). I have a underactive thyroid and currently on 50mcg a day eltroxin (T4). I have bloodwork done every six months, so next time I will do the test levels. Whats the cost about for it?

Got my test levels checked for the first time on Friday and again for an average of the two on monday and it was about R250 for the Testosterone Panel at Pathcare

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iMan wrote: will it still help after all this time? I have also used when I was younger and did not even use PCT, stupid I know. Anyways I was on 2 different cycles, just 50 tab/10mg Winstrol and 100tab/10mg Dianabol. This was a long time ago (12-20 months). I have a underactive thyroid and currently on 50mcg a day eltroxin (T4). I have bloodwork done every six months, so next time I will do the test levels. Whats the cost about for it?

How old were you if I may ask? Also, do you have any family history of thyroid problems?

admin wrote: You can do a proper PCT like the one designed by Doctari to fix your test and estrogen levels.

Also, Deca can influence your HPTA-axis for upto two years after the cycle ended.


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Are you talking about the "The GP PCT Protocol" PDF - www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/images/downlo...le-therapy/PCT-3.pdf ?
If so...I see that Letrozol is included in it...do I do that too - considering my cycled ended in Jan? Does that entire PCT apply to me now from day one?

It was near my 18th. Im now almost 20. Yes I have thyroid problems in my family, so I don't believe it's from that

admin wrote: You can do a proper PCT like the one designed by Doctari to fix your test and estrogen levels.

Also, Deca can influence your HPTA-axis for upto two years after the cycle ended.


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I'll look at home what the name is but it actually tests for glucose, ketones, blood, protein, nitrite, pH, urobilinogen, bilirubin and leucocytes... I normally just ask for urine dip sticks to monitor blood and protein, but its lovely that it tests all.

00pump wrote:

admin wrote: You can do a proper PCT like the one designed by Doctari to fix your test and estrogen levels.

Also, Deca can influence your HPTA-axis for upto two years after the cycle ended.


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I'll look at home what the name is but it actually tests for glucose, ketones, blood, protein, nitrite, pH, urobilinogen, bilirubin and leucocytes... I normally just ask for urine dip sticks to monitor blood and protein, but its lovely that it tests all.

Thanks bud

Ah ok well as long as you keep things in check I guess. I see you from Cape Town, where abouts do you train?

Have you noticed your growth being stunted at all?

admin wrote: You can do a proper PCT like the one designed by Doctari to fix your test and estrogen levels.

Also, Deca can influence your HPTA-axis for upto two years after the cycle ended.


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Dont mean to be a pain, but how do I approach that PCT from Doctari considering its not actually a post cycle course, I haven't done one in like 8 months.

Do I do the PCT from day 1 according to the PDF and do it by the book...letro and all, or do you recommend I modify it considering the situation?
The way I see it, I wouldnt want to take letro considering my current low test levels?

Pumper, they called Combur tests... The one you referring to seems like the Combur9 which is the best/most usel-full IMO... Use it a lot with diet clients to check ketones etc! Very nice with the added benefits you mentioned! Goodie to have on hand!

Mr Moose wrote: Pumper, they called Combur tests... The one you referring to seems like the Combur9 which is the best/most usel-full IMO... Use it a lot with diet clients to check ketones etc! Very nice with the added benefits you mentioned! Goodie to have on hand!

Welcome back Mr Moose. Haven't seen you here for a while...

Mr Moose Head - Thats the one.

I train in durbanville at a private gym I am the same height than what I was, but I am taller than my parents so I believe I would not have grown much further. If you talk about muscle, well yes. A lot actually

Dammod wrote: Ah ok well as long as you keep things in check I guess. I see you from Cape Town, where abouts do you train?

Have you noticed your growth being stunted at all?

I train in durbanville at a private gym I am the same height than what I was, but I am taller than my parents so I believe I would not have grown much further. If you talk about muscle, well yes. A lot actually

admin wrote: You can do a proper PCT like the one designed by Doctari to fix your test and estrogen levels.

Also, Deca can influence your HPTA-axis for upto two years after the cycle ended.


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Admin, would I do a full PCT as discussed in Doctari's PCT PDF? Would it not be modified in any way as my last cycle was in jan? For eg, would I still run the Letro which says it should be started -2 weeks to PCT?

Dammod, I'm not following you?

Maybe email me with more details if you can't discuss it here in public, but I can't remember what you used almost a year ago... maybe I'm getting old.. lol

Regarding an earlier post in this thread, if I want to get test levels checked pre-cycle, do I just go to my doc and ask him? What exactly do I ask for? Would it be a good idea to get my liver checked at the same time? What would the approximate cost be for both tests?

Full bloodwork R1800 that's kidney,liver,cholestrol,blood count red and white, test levels,prostate,the full monty.