Decent Advice - Substance, Cycle, Diet, Program

Hi Guys

Been around the training game for almost 5 years now and not once received any sound advice regarding steriod use, always maybe's and ifs.

I have been on a few cycles based on advice from friends but achieved no real and sustainable results.

Myself and my GF would like to reach our goals by using products that work and are not harmfull to our health. One thing I know is that riods can be used responsibly without any serios side effects.

Myself Current Weight: 116 kg Goal Weight: 122kg
Height: 1.95m
Body Fat: 20% Goal body fat: 8%

Girlfriend Current Weight: 62kg Goal Weight: 56kg
Height: 1.57m
Body Fat: 30% Goal Body Fat: 12%


We were told that best an sustainable results can be achieved by combining GH with roids - true or false?

If true we can get Norditropin( pens ) and what would you suggest using with it for myself an then for my Girlfriend. She was seriously overweight and lost alot of muscle and weight through diets and doing cardio, but she wants to gain a bit of muscle as well to shape her body.

Then obviously the cycle for both?

I do know that one needs to bulk before cutting so what would the trainig program be as well as diet for both bulking and then after that cutting?

I do hope you can help as it is very hard to come by any reputable advice.

Have a great day

welcome bud

I am sure you will receive all the help you need on this forum , just wait for more of the experienced guys on this forum to give their advice

but if you ask me , you need to drop your bodyfat before starting any cycle , aswell as your knowledge on steroids , stick around and read some of the previous posts aswell as all the info on steroids

i am sure dj will reply as soon as he gets a chance , and he is the guy you need to talk to regarding diets , and getting your bodyfat down

good luck

hey bud

well 1st off what sort've time period are you hoping to do this in? your goal is pretty much to gain about 18kgs of pure muscle,this can be done but over a good long period of time,most guys pack on 4-8kgs per 12 week cycle depending on substances used,diet,cardio etc. so what time period would u be looking to go?

2nd, what cycles have you done in the past? this will also affect your gains process.

3rd : how many iu's of gh are u looking to do daily,a good dose for a man is 4-5iu's daily which means those nordi pens are gonna last you close on 6 days a pen,4 pens a month for you,2 for your girlfriend, thats close on 6 pens a month and depending on price thats gonna be hefty on the pocket as you will also need to budget about R2000-R4000 a month of food and supplements,depending on brands and quality of food and half of that roughly for your lady and then on top of that about 4-6 gorillas for a steroid cycle for yourself (depending on substances used and dosages)and then some for your mrs...

4th : training is essential, you need to be consistent for close on a year or two to gain what you want to gain,on the fat loss side of things look at about 1kg a week of fat to be lost and then once that is done then look at about 6-10kgs of muscle per cycle...

essentially what i do with most clients is try and get them as close to 10% body fat before a cycle, but some start at a higher level,and will gain muscle and loose fat at the same time,Koe007 for instance hasnt lost alot of weight prepping for his show but the fat loss and muscle gain has been incredible.

consistency is the key... i consistently work towards your goal of getting to 8% body fat before you go on a cycle,after than then try pack on the lean mass whilst keeping your abs in sight... personal thing.

yes gh and steroids are the way to maintainable muscle,but diet and training will keep that... remember u are not gonna keep the 10kgs u gained on a cycle by sitting on the couch watching the movie 300 over and over and eating a bucket of kfc chicken pieces after a cycle for protein intake...

remember the hardest lift you will ever do is the lifting your ass off the couch and and going to do your cardio.

Hey Dj

Well I wanna do it properly and be sure that whatever I put on or how my GF progresses, that it stays that way with consistent work. Basically looking at a 8-12 month timeframe in getting about 80% to our goals.

Lol...don't even think they worth mentioning but here goes: 1st one - 6 week testoprop 1ml twice a week stacked with winstrol no PCT but amazing strength. 2nd one - Testoviron, Sustenon & Equi 0.5 ml each twice a week for 5 weeks. No PCT. honestly that did nothing for me and I don't even wanna mention whose advise I followed there as he is a well know figure in the Cage fighting scene. 2nd cycle no strength had no effect on me.

5 IU's for myself per day and 2-3 for my Mrs. I'm still waiting for my pricing on Norditropin but what would you suggest otherwise?

Well we are pretty much open to any suggestions seeing that the advice that I followed previoulsy brought me knowhere. So if we have to lose the bodyfat first then so be it.

Something that I probably should mention is that my cussion between my L5 and S1 disk has disintegrated and i'm not allowed to do squats, shoulder press or pretty much anything that involves heavy lifting above my shoulders before I strengthen my core.

So whats next?

Great to speak to someone that knows what they talking about!!!