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guys,we all need to grow up here,yes some people need to be spoon fed and if u go back to the posts i first put on this forum i was in the same boat,i how ever did use the tool of google and practical experience to find the answers... lets just leave the boy be,he is here to learn and no one is going to learn/wanna come back if we act like wankers towards the ones wanting to learn!

ice-rip there is no point in ripping off okes about not being knowledgable, they are learning,i bet u and i both were asking the same dumb questions when we started so no point in acting like a doos with silly comments as i bet u wouldnt have liked that when u were learning.

lets get the kid to learn the right ways instead of us laughing at him and putting him into the catagory of i took dbol the first time with no pct and lost my gains,and took recreational drugs... hopefully he can learn alot from this site like we all have so we can break the stigma of steroid users being dick heads and aggressive pricks... if i had gotten this kinda response from my first posts on this site i would've left and i wouldn't have learnt from this site and others wouldn't have learnt from me...

herbdean,i think an answer for ur 10kg loss in a weekend could be because dianabol makes you hold alot of water and ecstacy is a heavy duiretic,especially when the cooks cut it with rattex which is a true story,so i rate you could have easily lost that weight purely from water..not judging you bro iv also done bad things but just wanted to let you know so if you get fat one day you dont go pop pills cause i can tell you now thats shits bad,you have no clue what goes into those pills and the okes making them dont really give a fuck either..and dont let okes get to you bro,if you stick around long enough one day you will see why okes get irritated,its just cause they want the best for you..try get to a proper computer computer and read the steroid profiles and old articles it will teach you lots..goodluck

im not sure a testosterone is exactly what lets say a record breaking sprinter uses, but steroids can help you run faster. Something i found

"Ben Johnson ran his ridiculously fast world record and then tested positive for stanozolol (Winstrol)"

Im just using the sprinter for example, not sure what you require the speed increase for.

DJ wrote: guys,we all need to grow up here,yes some people need to be spoon fed and if u go back to the posts i first put on this forum i was in the same boat,i how ever did use the tool of google and practical experience to find the answers... lets just leave the boy be,he is here to learn and no one is going to learn/wanna come back if we act like wankers towards the ones wanting to learn!

ice-rip there is no point in ripping off okes about not being knowledgable, they are learning,i bet u and i both were asking the same dumb questions when we started so no point in acting like a doos with silly comments as i bet u wouldnt have liked that when u were learning.

lets get the kid to learn the right ways instead of us laughing at him and putting him into the catagory of i took dbol the first time with no pct and lost my gains,and took recreational drugs... hopefully he can learn alot from this site like we all have so we can break the stigma of steroid users being dick heads and aggressive pricks... if i had gotten this kinda response from my first posts on this site i would've left and i wouldn't have learnt from this site and others wouldn't have learnt from me...

not being a doos bro. Just pointing out that theres a way and manner you ask for help and this guy to me demonstrated arrogance and attitude. Im no expert and here to learn too but not once did i disrespect any member while asking for help. Read the tone he asks in and youll see what i mean

I'm a new member, and it seems there's many more just like me. I understand DJ's angle, but if you tolerate idiots like herbdean, I'd rather not stick around.

After readin dj's comment I wud like to sincerely apologise for soundin and mayb bein a little sarcastic. Not here to make enemies. Def don't do any recreational drugs anymore gave my life to the lord a while back so that phase of my life is over. Lol cnt believ I'm tellin strangers my life story feels kinda therapeutic haha neway somebody askd me wat I want speed 4. I play a lot of social soccer bt fairly competitive and I'd hate for a steroid to affect that negatively. Did a bit of research and I did find there are roids that speed u up read about one called speed king. Neway nt gna ask any more question gna try out the beginners bulking cycle and I'll take it frm there. Thnx for all ur comments. Twas good fun

Hi Herbdean

From one Newbe to another. I just want to tell you that I have completed my first cycle a month ago and I am age 29, have been hitting the gym for three years properly. The first thing is you need is as much info as you can get your hands on before deciding this is what you want to do and how to go about doing it. My sugestion is that there is a book by Mick Hart called the Laymen's Guide to Steroids and you can find that in the downloads section. I downloaded it and what an easy read, lots of info and easy to understand. I also spoke to admin about what the best cycle for a begginer steroid user would be and the advise I got was the begginer cycle that was suggested to you by admin. I picked up 7kg, obviuosly not all muscle but that is what is to be expected on a bulking cycle. I completed my PCT a month ago and have still kept my gains in strength and size. I'm here to say I don't know much but one thing I do know is that the advice I have got from admin and some people on the forum has been great. I still think that info is your power and you can find alot of that on this forum and website, coupled with a good diet which I have been reading about on the forum of late will really set the foundation you need to get to where you would like to be. I sinceley hope that you do things in the correct manner as these are vitally important for you as an individual, to get the results you so desire. All the best bud.

I have a May 1993 Flex here. Studies proved that AAS have zero to very little effect on inexperienced lifters. Remember early denial of AAS working? this was one of the mistakes - they used inexperienced lifters. Later studies done properly on experienced lifters showed significant gains in all areas.
You have to max out naturally first.

Thnx ill have a look for ths book and yes def won't stop searchin for more info its a bit annoyin on a cell bt every chance I get to jump on a comp I'm takin it. Jst started a bus so I'll have to get myself one soon anyway. Other then that can say I'm pretty experienced in the gym. Bn gymming since 15. On and off bt iv learnt a lot seen a lot gymmed in a lot of diffrent gyms includin garage gyms.don't think iv maxd out though. Neway gna think about everything u guys have told me probly try the beginner cycle like I said and well mayb ull hear from me in the future thnx buddy

personally, i dont reckon you ready for roids dude. You play social soccer and dont want to have your speed affected? Dude, be serious. Do you wanna play soccer or grow big muscles? The bigger your body gets, the harder i would think it would be for you to sustain speed, esp when your body transforms so fast with steriod use. I played club cricket, and after using roids, it made a negative result on my cricket!

Wayne wrote: personally, i dont reckon you ready for roids dude. You play social soccer and dont want to have your speed affected? Dude, be serious. Do you wanna play soccer or grow big muscles? The bigger your body gets, the harder i would think it would be for you to sustain speed, esp when your body transforms so fast with steriod use. I played club cricket, and after using roids, it made a negative result on my cricket!

Dont think so - look at Ben Johnson. He had HUGE legs. Tom Platz was extremely quick and he had the biggest legs EVER. Then Shawn Ray was one of the quickest NFL players of his time etc etc.
Shit i think i'm even faster now than my teens - and thats +40Kg's!

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Wayne wrote: personally, i dont reckon you ready for roids dude. You play social soccer and dont want to have your speed affected? Dude, be serious. Do you wanna play soccer or grow big muscles? The bigger your body gets, the harder i would think it would be for you to sustain speed, esp when your body transforms so fast with steriod use. I played club cricket, and after using roids, it made a negative result on my cricket!

Dont think so - look at Ben Johnson. He had HUGE legs. Tom Platz was extremely quick and he had the biggest legs EVER. Then Shawn Ray was one of the quickest NFL players of his time etc etc.
Shit i think i'm even faster now than my teens - and thats +40Kg's!

Yeah but keep in mind there is a huge difference between training for muscle size and sprint training. So hitting the gym alone will do jack squat for ur speed. U will still have to do tremendous effort in sprint training. Well that's how I see it. No point training muscles to get big and they have no "memory" of short intense burst of speed.

Ben Johnson broke the world record on Winstrol. He was doing both. Great.
Isn't this exactly what this guy wants to do as well? Add muscle and improve speed? I can tell you now that more muscle with the speed training will result in more speed.
I have seen plenty sprinters go from nice legs to huge legs as they got better.

So the point here is that AAS/Squats(bodybuilding style)/Speed training will result in more speed.

Just like I said...

I definitly agree with Jack rabbit, I play club rugby and I play on the wing. After my first cycle my speed increased dramatically. In school I ran 100m in 11 flat now doing it in 10.69 and that is 11 years on from high school so I was very impressed and it felt awesome to smoke some of the other players I hadn't been able to previously. I think if that is the kind of training you're doing on an aas cycle with your weights you're gaurenteed to pick up some speed.