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Hey All,

This is my first post here, I'm a member of many sites but generally dont get time to do much posting, mainly reading.

I'm currently running a cycle recommended by a respected "authority" on steroids and the cycle is fine but I'm not sure about the gear I'm using. Unfortunately the guy who is writing my cycle is in another country so can't tell me much about the brands I'm using.

Any help would be appreciated.

I'm going for meso changes and this is part of the cycle I'm on with regards to the gear.

80mg a day anavar
50mg a day winstrol
2iu GH x 3days in the am, semi fasted cardio
4iu GH x 4days in the pm before weight session

The GH is Somatropin by a generic chinese brand Origin. This will take longer to see/feel results but will be watching this closely.

The gear which I am now dubious about is by X Labs - my problem is at the moment I am 2 1/2 weeks in and I still cannot feel any noticeable increases in strength or leanness and my diet is spot on.
Has anyone heard of X Labs? legit? under dosed? anyway to test the ingredients?

I have been offered some stuff by OC Labs - anything on these guys?

I buy a lot of otc products from my source but at the moment I'm not sure if what he is supplying me is worth the money. Any recommendations - if you can't/not allowed to recommned then please PM me to help out.

Many thanks

DC EVO

Eish, X Labs. Sounds quite dodgy.

I hope to God that you're paying for these extremely technically advanced cycles!

As for OC, they make really good products and I personally only use their orals.

Thanks for the reply Vega

That's what Im beginning to think with the X Labs, wish there was a way to test if they're legit!

I am paying for the advice, regular skype conference calls, help and feedback whenever I need it etc etc - definitely trust this guy. Very good reputation internationally.

eish running winni and ananvar together with gh...not technical cycle at all. I think stick around on here and see the diff cycles that guys do and diff brands that are well known and work and the ones that are shit. Good feed back on various brands here.

xlabs i think is from Cape Town or sumtin, its just got to durbz here, was offered their dbol at a ridiculous cheap price like basically peanuts. just didnt make sense to me that a few other brands are at a constant price and this xlabs is basically for nothing. So i can only guess that the product is under dosed otherwise the manufactures are making nothing.

Just stick around on here u will learn a shit load

Thanks SNOK - appreciate the reply and info.

There are several reasons why he has got me running this particular cycle, I suppose I should have posted the full cycle details but because my question was mainly about the legitimacy of the gear I left it a little bare.

Will definitely stick around and read some more. I read a lot of the US sites TNation & EliteFTS etc but I should read more on what the scene is like here in SA. Can never learn too much and its in my professional interests to know the scene as well

Honestly, those US sites have some of the biggest bunch of idiots I've seen.

There's guys on this site that dedicate a lot of their personal time on researching AAS, diet and training.

The only thing that you'll get on this site is honesty and sometimes the newbies don't like that.

So if you're prepared to that it the hard way then stick around.

How long are you cycling those two steroids which both contain the 17-methyl group? Where is the research founded on the hGH injection protocol, because it certainly ins't a medical study, not that I can find anyway.

Hey Pump,

It's a 3 week on 3 week off protocol.
My ideal was to add some lean mass while dropping some bodyfat at the same time. I'm not in a position to suddenly put on a load of mass, as much as it would be cool, and basically needed to keep things lower key.

The orals suggested were somewhat milder in suppression than other drugs out there so recovery would be better and with the shorter duration of cycling it would have even less an effect on my system.

As for the HGH - part of the protocol was about fat loss and the other part about body recomp and long term changes over a 3-6 month period. Plus the adding benefit of old and current injuries getting a helping hand.

I'm not 100% sure if there are medial studies to back this up but I know the guy to have helped several top athletes and amateur bodybuilders plus general joe bloggs using his information, knowledge and subsequent protocols.

With regards to the cycle itself I am at a loss as to whether it has worked or not as the X Labs stuff I bought appears to be potentially underdosed or just shit. 3 solid weeks at 80mg day VAR and 50mg day WIN and I'm not "feeling" anything, slighly body changes but that could also be down to me tightening up my diet further.

We live and learn.

In response to Vega's last point - I agree there are some monumental idiots on the international forums, at the same time there are also some highly intelligent and experienced guys on there. You stick around on any forum long enough and you start to see who the learned individuals are and neglect and negate the morons.

Once you sift through the crap and see whats what you generally know who is talking sense and who is talking out their arse.

I will definitely be sticking around on here to find out some more about a bit of everything and look forward to some intelligent local conversation and debate

DC EVO wrote: Hey Pump,

It's a 3 week on 3 week off protocol.
My ideal was to add some lean mass while dropping some bodyfat at the same time. I'm not in a position to suddenly put on a load of mass, as much as it would be cool, and basically needed to keep things lower key.
......

80 Var and 50 Winny? 3 weeks just for the Anavar to eventually start to work. The protocol wont work IMO. I would stay on the Anavar and maybe cycle the Winny. Winstrol is very liver toxic and those two together are going to eat your joints so be carefull.

And on those amounts you can forget about "a load of mass".

Hey bro... Not to be funny but 17-methyl is 17-methyl.. The toxicity of winstrol is that of dianabol or that or anadrol, the same is true with anavar however most of it is metabolised outside of the 'liver'..

You would only start to find stable plasma levels around 2 week mark on those orals and at that point you are already stopping the cycle.. You will not feel any effects, anavar only starts to show its true potential around the 5 week mark, as for winstrol its shows its mark around week 3.

If you are looking at hardening and do not want the complications that arise with these type of steroids then rather look at using primo ace.. I notice what you being provided is only orals is there a reason for this? If not, then I would rather look at a cycle that consists of a low dose of EQ / Primo and just enough test to get you by (around 100/250mg a week)..

Aka: 400mg Primo, 350mg EQ and 250mg test.. That cycle will harden you up and make you ripped to shreads on the right diet.

Your best bet would be to give your body a nice long break, get a PCT down, because yes you will be shut down taking those doses of anabolics and give your body a chance to recovery nicely then stack a good cycle..

You can use Primo Ace to kick start the cycle and rid out the longer ester at the end, if you don't feel like using long acting esters, then look at Primo Ace + EQ Prop + Test Prop.. Using the Primo ace a further weeks and a bit after your last injection...

I don't know the credibility of the person who gave you that information and not sure what he is looking for you to achieve by that layout, however in reality it doesn't seem like such a wise idea, then again we all have our ways of achieving the same goal..

Good luck.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

DC EVO wrote: Hey Pump,

It's a 3 week on 3 week off protocol.
My ideal was to add some lean mass while dropping some bodyfat at the same time. I'm not in a position to suddenly put on a load of mass, as much as it would be cool, and basically needed to keep things lower key.
......

80 Var and 50 Winny? 3 weeks just for the Anavar to eventually start to work. The protocol wont work IMO. I would stay on the Anavar and maybe cycle the Winny. Winstrol is very liver toxic and those two together are going to eat your joints so be carefull.

And on those amounts you can forget about "a load of mass".

Was more going for subtle lean gains than a load of mass but point taken

00pump wrote: Hey bro... Not to be funny but 17-methyl is 17-methyl.. The toxicity of winstrol is that of dianabol or that or anadrol, the same is true with anavar however most of it is metabolised outside of the 'liver'..

You would only start to find stable plasma levels around 2 week mark on those orals and at that point you are already stopping the cycle.. You will not feel any effects, anavar only starts to show its true potential around the 5 week mark, as for winstrol its shows its mark around week 3.

If you are looking at hardening and do not want the complications that arise with these type of steroids then rather look at using primo ace.. I notice what you being provided is only orals is there a reason for this? If not, then I would rather look at a cycle that consists of a low dose of EQ / Primo and just enough test to get you by (around 100/250mg a week)..

Aka: 400mg Primo, 350mg EQ and 250mg test.. That cycle will harden you up and make you ripped to shreads on the right diet.

Your best bet would be to give your body a nice long break, get a PCT down, because yes you will be shut down taking those doses of anabolics and give your body a chance to recovery nicely then stack a good cycle..

You can use Primo Ace to kick start the cycle and rid out the longer ester at the end, if you don't feel like using long acting esters, then look at Primo Ace + EQ Prop + Test Prop.. Using the Primo ace a further weeks and a bit after your last injection...

I don't know the credibility of the person who gave you that information and not sure what he is looking for you to achieve by that layout, however in reality it doesn't seem like such a wise idea, then again we all have our ways of achieving the same goal..

Good luck.

Thanks Pump

Will get the PCT going and some milk thistle etc running to help clean things up a little. As you say more than one way to achieve a certain goal be it training, nutrition or gear.

I can't speak for the exact reasons of his protocol as im not the expect on it, but he can reliably say he knows his stuff.

Thanks for your input guys with the cycle, now to locate reliable gear instead of shit X Labs!

Cheers

LOL, imagine it isn't real gear and what you have been putting in your body?

00pump wrote: LOL, imagine it isn't real gear and what you have been putting in your body?

hahaha - after weighing 137kgs and putting litres of vodka and highly processed and tasty goods in me on a daily basis, some unknown substance don't weigh on my mind as much

DC EVO wrote:

jackrabbit1 wrote:

DC EVO wrote: Hey Pump,

It's a 3 week on 3 week off protocol.
My ideal was to add some lean mass while dropping some bodyfat at the same time. I'm not in a position to suddenly put on a load of mass, as much as it would be cool, and basically needed to keep things lower key.
......

80 Var and 50 Winny? 3 weeks just for the Anavar to eventually start to work. The protocol wont work IMO. I would stay on the Anavar and maybe cycle the Winny. Winstrol is very liver toxic and those two together are going to eat your joints so be carefull.

And on those amounts you can forget about "a load of mass".

Was more going for subtle lean gains than a load of mass but point taken

Haha! Thats the point. Not enough here to give you mass anyway. If your liver is ok i wouldnt worry too much. I did 2 3-4 week cycles of Winstrol and Anapolon at 100mg almost back to back and my liver was ok. At those dosages you might also not have any harsh liver sides. I do take Legalon(2, twice/day). You will harden up and get some lean gains. But i dont think in 3 weeks.

Hey guys,

Just to bring this up a little again, I've emailed the guy I'm using in the UK but would like a little input from here again if possible.

As mentioned I feel the stuff that I'm on is probably underdosed and now looking around the price im paying for VAR is about R? a bottle less than the likes of PGW, OC & LP.

My dilemma now is do I run a week or 2 of PCT and basically take 4 weeks off and lose quite a bit of invested money or try and save this cycle with some quality orals from somewhere else?

Cheers

DC

No price discussion on the forum

00pump wrote: No price discussion on the forum

Apologies...should've worded it another way.

Hi There,
Did you find any further feedback of xlabs. Was its ok?
Would like to know if you have anything on the product.
Worth my while or should I try elsewhere.

Thanks

I found it to be unreliable at best...the supplier swears his other guys had great results with the same brand but after 3 weeks I threw in the towel, ran pct to be safe.

Figured I would do a lot more research on brand before i go down that route again.

Thanks alot!!