urgent help please

hey pump
thanks again mate. yeah im in the jhb area and would appreciate any referal and other info you can give me. just let me know how and when i can give u my contact details. your words of encouragement really are appreciated.

do you think based on my test figures that i am sufferinf from hypogonadism. the hcg i could only find at that time was vitagon from alpha pharm. maybe it didnt work as my libido and sex drive isnt what it was pre cycle. is it possible for a person to bring those test levels up without taking anything meaning can recovery happen over a period of time naturally?

jackrabbit1 wrote:

ice-rip wrote: not to stray too much off topic but the rest of my bloods revealed:
total test 10.3 nmol/l (range 8.0 - 27.1)
shbg 27nmol/l (range 11.4- 52.3)
free test 227pmol/l ( range 180-536)
oestradiol /estrogen 85pmol/l (range <208)

my cycle (600mg pharma grade test cyp/week) ended on the 25/11/2010. my pct (admins pct) ended on the 15/01/2011. to mee it looks like my test is low and my estrogen is high. are these figures in the acceptable range guys?

Those figures are bad.

what are optimal figures for a 32 yrs ol JR

Yes it can come back over time by itself, the older you get the longer it takes, I know some youngsters that don't need to PCT, later teens, early 20's. However, I don't think the hCG is the problem, as hCG raises estrogen, and synthetically increases LH, so maybe the hCG was actually the reason the recovery wasn't complete, and an extended SERM would have actually resolved this.. However, there are other natural supplements that work on the pituitary to increase LH and FSH, however for now its the last of your concerns, I just don't advise putting anything else in your body until the kidney function is a bit better. Then we can look at getting your test levels up as high as possible naturally.

Sorry to thread jack but ive been wondering for a while now what you (pumpoo)would recommend to increase natural test.Youv'e advised on it a couple times to a few members.
Ice rip,goodluck bud i wish you a speedy recovery.

I think you should be seeing a specialist on this ice. The article you posted makes a lot of sense. Creatinine levels are a marker for kidney function based on a normal diet and no creatine intake. Therefore if you are taking in creatine and high protein these markers are no longer completely relevent. A specialist should be able to measure actual kidney function and determine if the kidneys are actually failing or whether these are false highs associated with intake levels. As you stated you've recovered from high levels before, despite a prognosis to the contrary, does this suggest that your kidneys miraculously healed, or the levels themselves just dropped off as the creatine and protein intake was dropped and the kidneys were never in failure in the first place...

A person with healthy kidneys can take all the creatine in the world and return normal results.. only people with damaged kidneys would show those figures.. And yes if you lower ones protein and make sure your blood pressure is under control ones kidneys can repair... The problem is, it will never be 100%, so the trick is to look after yourself now, and don't ok maybe here is a reason I can continue taking all this stuff.. Bullshit... But yes you need to see a specialist, a nefrologist..

i just got the heel detox kit now. drank my first 30 drops. my doc even approves of it and gave the same advice as pump did. spike u make a good point but ill rather do the detox and play it safe for now. then retest and see how that goes

Well thats my sentiments exactly, none of us here have anywhere near enough experience to determine the actual issues. Even a consulting GP does not necessarily understand all the possibilities and implications. False highs can occur in many forms of blood or urine tests, only a nephrologist can decide on the correct action. Were urine tests done as well? I have read it stated that the only fool proof test for renal function/failure would be to determine serum levels and urinary levels, in order to effectively calculate glomerular filtration rate. Creatine intake has been known to increase creatinine levels without renal impairment, and should be taken into account by the physician conducting tests. Then again studies have also shown long term creatine use to have no effect on blood markers. Every case is individual

The problem is not just creatine, you had blood / leaky kidney. Detox, get blood again, anyone can do this, test with dip stick check protein and blood. If you still notice readings out of the ordinary, ask your doctor to photostat everything related, and call Dr Campbell, she is the best in the business, she knows my personal life and will treat me regardless if I decide to cycle which she doesn't recommend, she will tell you some horror stories of bodybuilders she knows with kidney failure. However you need to go through this phase and if its still bad, kidney biopsy, which is painful I'm not going to lie.. that is the only way to get accurate information on kidney function.

pump. u advised yesterday that whey is fine to continue. pls advise if i can still use my

mensvite multivit
efa
bcaa scivation
evox cassein
glutamine

all within reasonable/min amounts ofcourse

Even vitamins need to be processed and pass through the kidneys, yes, you not taking large amounts of vitamin A however I would leave the bcaa, efa are perfect and healthy and provide aid with cleansing and overall health, glumatine I am sceptical on at this point in time until your figures come back better. cessein if you going to have before bed so you have some long acting protein I wouldn't see it as being a major issue, as I said earlier its mainly your red meats that the kidneys do not like.

As for vitamins its safe to use 3ml B12 and 1ml BCO a week.. There is lots of other stuff that is going to help you, but right now the initial detox needs to be carried out then a colon cleanse, they have a supplement at dischmen its around R170, I think it's called Colon Cleanse, it contains many ingredients including husk, etc but this will remove any plaque etc from ones colon, because right now you detoxing your kidneys however if your colon is not detoxed its passing through there, so in the 3 week break you are off this detox before you start the next, it is a great idea to do a colon detox for 7 days, morning and evening, you need to do this on a empty stomach...

You will notice while doing the Heel detox you going to become very 'airy' and maybe even cramping in your stomach, this is important during this time to concentrate on your breathing and make sure you breath from your gut, blood flows pours out to your tips of your fingers and toes during this time and just doing constant breathing exercises helps. However when you do the colon cleanse it will get rid of all that air and any bloating you might have.

I would have liked you to do the colon cleanse first however the kidneys looked like they needed the attention first..

Another thing that will really help with your whole body cleanse and detox will be a visit to the Chiro someone I really recommend is Dr Fyfer (011) 803 3236 to do spinal manipulation, tell him Pump from the forum advised you the guy who did the gyno surgery. He will really help you through this detox and after a half an hour session with him you going to feel fantastic.

Trust me bro it will be well worth the visit and this guy is jacked... And i can assure you in no time your kidney function will come back looking allot better. I will still give you the list of supplements during this week that you going to need for long term kidney health. And i'm pretty sure you can get yourself to the point that you can continue to cycle just with the right gear and making sure you take the correct supplements during that period.

thanks a mill Pump