masteron

what would a cycle of masteron look like. how long should one run it for?. can it be used at the end of a long ester cycle while u are waiting for pct to start. so i would then run 100mg eod of test prop and mast pt prop with 50mg of winstrol for about 2 weeks and then start pct. what u think

It can be done but it will be 3 weeks and not 2 weeks as thats how much u will get out 1 10ml vial. No point in leaving over 3ml. But this will round ur cycle of nicely and help soldilify gains made.

remember your pct shout start at 3x the half life of the longest ester... so if u are using cyp,then you need to wait 3x 12days to pct starts. 36days. so in that time you can use masteron and test prop,a 6 week cycle is usually the legth of time.so lets looks it this.

u are using test cyp from week 1-10,pct can only start on week 15. now masteron prop has a half life of 4.5 days,so pct can start 13.5days after your last shot,so you would run masteron from week 7-13. then i would run it with proviron and winstrol,4 weeks of winstrol so u need to run winstrol and proviron from week 11-14.5 in order to start pct in week 15.so your cycle should look like this

week 1-10 test cyp
week 7-13 100mg test prop + 50mg masteron
week 11-14.5 50mg winstrol + 50mg proviron

week 15 100mg clomid split in 2 dosages
week 16,17,18 500iu HCG EOD + 20mg kessar ED.

Nicely structured

Half life x3? Jeez bud that sounds like an outrageous amount of time.

I don't want to argue but I can't believe this should be the case.

I believe that when external anabolics reach around 100mg then PCT should be started.

Vega, DJ is correct, so you can use anavar or other fast acting steroids to end a cycle then you only wait 1.5 days, long esters like deca around 45 days and equipoise 50 days.

00pump wrote: Vega, DJ is correct, so you can use anavar or other fast acting steroids to end a cycle then you only wait 1.5 days, long esters like deca around 45 days and equipoise 50 days.

With those compounds I agree but not on a test only cycle.

Its just my opinion but I disagree to use that x3 as a rule.

With test you want to catch the exo test with PCT at an optimal place on the way down as you don't want it to fall too low as the recovery is harder the lower it falls.

I hope my point makes sense

I'm also with vega5's thinking as test is not that suppresive on natural test as deca or equi is.

Okay, so I just spoke to DJ and it makes sense now. Especially on 500mg Cyp a week.

But as with everything it needs to be looked at on an individual basis.

Wow 3 x half life of longest ester. I understood it totally wrong then and im of the opinion that 99% of the guys on this forum starts their pct at the end of the half life of longest ester

Goes to show....... never to old to learn:side:

I have a very nice calculator on my computer where you can put in all the injectables your on then it will give you a whole graph and also when blood levels reach 100mg.

When my laptop is working again I'll load my calculator onto PCT section so that everybody can work out when their PCT should start.

guys i must admit this information has been on this board a long time,it came from admin,and it took me along time to actually read it again,it was all based on the protocol i saw conan had given to some one and the pct only started 6-8 weeks after the end of the cycle of long esters,up on questioning it made sense,the half life might only be 12 days for eg but there is also a build up in the system lets look at 100mg of stanazol injected EOD. NOW it has a 24 hour half life,but what you gotta realise is that after a couple of days there is still a risidule build up in the system... for eg on the 9th day of your EOD stanzol injection protocol there is actually 133mg of stanazol in the system. so you have to take that into consideration...now lets say if u are injecting say 1000mg of testosterone enanthate a week there is going to be a build up in the system after 90days(half life of 10days) of 1.330g in the system! now with a half being 10days long means that after 10days of last injection that 1.330g is gonna be 665mg, another 10days is gonna be 332.5 another 10days its gonna be 166.25mg and then 10days later 83mg which is about the level you want to start your pct on. BUT its taken you 40days after your last injection to be at the right amount to start your pct...now 40days is nearly 6 weeks after your last injection in order for you to be able to start your pct!! this is why guys complain about not getting back to normal when they start pct with in the first 2 weeks of your last shot!!

i have created a spread sheet that will be able to show you how the build up is in the system according to the half life of the example of winstrol at 100mg EOD and a half life of 24 hours! so guys, dont be fooled,you need to wait your time after your last injection before you can start your PCT! its not as simple as half the half life and then start your pct... it can be longer depending on the amount used,the esters used etc...

here is the spread sheet i just did for you to explain...

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fack....i dunno whats going on with uploading attatchments...i will try do it again in the morning....

are we using 3x the half life or 3x the active life. the half life of cyp is 8 days. so i would assume based on that pct would start on day 24. this is the half life as per the insert in the depo test box.

if one was stacking with eq. then how long do u wait

EQ 16.5 days half life so you waiting around 50 days. Cyp has a half life of around 12 days, so you need to wait 36 days.

Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

And water based roids half life?like test suspension?stanazol is 24 h.and if you mix the 2 will it effect each others half life

No

vega5 wrote: Okay, so I just spoke to DJ and it makes sense now. Especially on 500mg Cyp a week.
But as with everything it needs to be looked at on an individual basis.

Howzit guys.

Vega/DJ/00Pump would any of you guys kindly elaborate on the above statement?

I am currently doing 10 weeks at 500mg cyp and as per the sticky I was going to start my pct in week 13 (2 weeks after my last pin), but now I see that I should wait 36 days with cyp?

Rowan, for an effective PCT that is correct. You can use Anavar / Winstrol / Dianabol / Turinabol / Oral Primo or Anadrol, then you will just need to wait 2 days to start the PCT. So include one of those compounds for 5 weeks, from the day you do your last pin, that way the active half life will still be strong enough for the short esters to stabalize. I wouldn't chose something like Anadrol though for 5 weeks, then go onto PCT which is also toxic to the liver to an additonal 4 weeks, so rather use something safer like Anavar that metabolizes mostly outside of the liver.

00pump wrote: Rowan, for an effective PCT that is correct. You can use Anavar / Winstrol / Dianabol / Turinabol / Oral Primo or Anadrol, then you will just need to wait 2 days to start the PCT. So include one of those compounds for 5 weeks, from the day you do your last pin, that way the active half life will still be strong enough for the short esters to stabalize. I wouldn't chose something like Anadrol though for 5 weeks, then go onto PCT which is also toxic to the liver to an additonal 4 weeks, so rather use something safer like Anavar that metabolizes mostly outside of the liver.

Thanks pump. Now you've made it crystal clear.

Just a suggestion though - in light of this 'new(er)'or clearer information provided by DJ and yourself, perhaps the sticky on what a 1st cycle should look like should be slightly ammended where the pct starts?

I think many people have already or may continue tomake the mistake of going on the half life of whatever compound they are using and begin their pct based on that.

Thanks again for steering the wayward back on course guys! (excuse the pun...)

Peace...

DJ will have to change that, I never wrote that sticky.

Thanks for pointing it out though.