frontloading

hi guys
when frontloading with test prop what doses are recommended. ive read that one should double or triple the dose for a frontload and then switch to longer esters. can one mix prop and cyp for the 1st four weeks and then stay on cyp till week 12. what doses would we mix if we can mix the two esters or is it best to do the prop on its own and then switch to the cyp

If you want to front load with prop then you will use prop alongside the longer ester or else it's not really front 'loading'. It is simply using 1 compound and switching to another and not benefiting from it. 100/150mg EOD is enough to front load with in my books. However why not just use a test combo, that has a blend of short and long acting esters and not worry about front loading? Or why not frontload with Dianabol ?

Remember the trick is to stabilize blood levels as fast as possible, so having insane high levels and then dropping dose is not ideal, or else we would all still follow outdated pyramid cycles.

on my 1st cycle i did 600mg/week of cyp. can i still do that and split it into 200mg cyp plus 100mg prop on Monday , wednesday and friday and run this for 16weeks. i say 16weeks because i want to add 600mg of equipoise to this a week. is this not too much?

Ye you can do that.

why do you want to inject the cyp 3 times a week?? do you want to take the prop for 16weeks aswell?

Hi Frikkie.

Sounds like he wants to front load with prop for the 1st 4 weeks. Thereafter run the cyp & equi til week 16.

If one front loads with 750mg-1g cyp for the first few weeks of a cycle (which would continue at 500mg for the rest of the cycle) would it be better than switching switching esters or would the high dose be opening yourself up to a world of sides?

Switching esters would be better for sure.

i heard from a reputable source to run 8 weeks then do hcg kessar dhea and 6 oxo to for 15 days to refresh the receptors amd then do the next eight weeks. also so u dont plateau. what do u guys think

Time on + pct = time off has always been the general consensus.

With that method u mentioned u not really giving the body enough of a break. It's not just refreshing the receptors but ur body as a whole; kidneys, liver, heart etc. Ur body takes strain on cycle hence the reason for staying of for a good time frame.

Blood test also need to be done.

Forget receptors, any drug you put in your body has toxins, toxins cause disease. You need to flush your body of all toxins for long peroids of time to keep your body healthy, prevent causing cancers and other medical issues. You do not catch cancer, you do not catch heart disease, you do not catch diabetes, your body develops it due to the way you live your life, the poisons your put in your body and you pH being out of balance. Cholesterol does not cause heart disease, a person with a reading of 600 could be fine yet a person with a reading of 100 could have heart problems, its not the cholesterol its the damage to the arteries that causes plaque to build up, and why does this happen? Because of toxins, damage to our liver by not giving it a break, that is why people are over weight to, because they damage their liver and kidneys and now your body cant flush toxins correctly. And prescription medication or over the counter medicine has toxins in it, if its man made its somewhat toxic. Give your body a chance to recover before you on the point of no return then regardless how you look acer yourself it will be to late..

no i am saying to split a 16 week cycle as above instead of going straight through the whole 16 weeks. the 15 days is just there to prevent most 8 week plateaus then after the next 8 weeks u would commence ur normal pct

You do not want to effect the blood hormone levels, its difficult enough on long eaters, now you wanting to throw that out the window. Yes some of my oldschool friends suggested HCG in the middle of the cycle, but dont stop the cycle.

00pump wrote: You do not want to effect the blood hormone levels, its difficult enough on long eaters, now you wanting to throw that out the window. Yes some of my oldschool friends suggested HCG in the middle of the cycle, but dont stop the cycle.

so if one combines (lets say) prop and cyp as their test base. now prop on its own needs to be pinned eod. and cyp on its own can be pinned once a week. if you combine the two, can one inject every fourth day i.e. Monday and Thursay and still have stable test levels. my thinking is that the long ester from the cyp extends half life of the prop allowing stable tests levels when you pin every fourth day. every shot would include a cyp/prop split of 200mg/100mg. is this theory correct or will the test levels drop sharply after day 2 because of the prop?

Try if you can keep each ester of the drug stable, so meaning keep the prop dosage to EOD and just pin the Cyp/E weekly, it is difficult keeping a long ester stable so keep it to the same day of the week, so your body adjusts to provides a stable plasma level of the drug. I do not see any benefit pinning the higher carbon bonds Cyp and E in shorter injection protocols and find that you achieve stability of the longer ester drugs within a few weeks, whereas you can find stable blood hormone levels with shorter esters in a few days, or you could inject something like suspension with has no ester attached, but make sure you love pinning

00pump wrote: Try if you can keep each ester of the drug stable, so meaning keep the prop dosage to EOD and just pin the Cyp/E weekly, it is difficult keeping a long ester stable so keep it to the same day of the week, so your body adjusts to provides a stable plasma level of the drug. I do not see any benefit pinning the higher carbon bonds Cyp and E in shorter injection protocols and find that you achieve stability of the longer ester drugs within a few weeks, whereas you can find stable blood hormone levels with shorter esters in a few days, or you could inject something like suspension with has no ester attached, but make sure you love pinning

if im using pfizer depotest, that would mean a 4ml shot once a week.also using eq at 600mg would mean another 3 ml making a 7ml shot. the reason i came to this conclusion above is that the old testoviron which had a blen of test e and prop needed to be pinned evey 4 days. since that product is no longer on the market, i assumed that if one mixed a long and short ester, every 4th day pinning would be fine

The drugs you decide to use is completely up to you. That is the reason UG labs have designed higher mg/ml ratio as they are better suited for bodybuilders. PGW has a 350mg/ml ratio for Boldenone, and has a Test E at 300mg/ml and a Test Cyp at 250mg/ml.

You are more than welcome to inject EQ every Wednesday and the Depetrone on a Friday, if your Cyp lands on those days then include them in the protocol. You are entitled to inject them how you see fit, however I would recommend what I mentioned above.

Not trying to be funny, but I used Pharma grade gear for the first 5 years of my steroid life and switched over to UG, can't say I notice any difference, yes different labs, yield different results, for example, the reason why people get a 'tren cough' is due to the amount of benzyl alcohol used in their products, and the coughing action is actually our bodies trying to get rid of the benzyl by way of the lungs, this is dangerous and putting our bodies in harms way.

Again, what you decide to use is completely up to you, however I would have just done a Super Test combo + EQ by PGW, would have made life simple, single injections once a week, and you looking at around 4ml shots max.