proviron

hi guys

some input . . i am in my 3rd week of my 2nd 10 week cycle of 1ml test300 & 1/2ml deca350 twice a week with dbol (40mg) per day split. . . .

can i start taking proviron now? if so at what dosage and for the remainder of the 10 week cycle is that ok? or must i take it longer than the 10 weeks?

thanks

bud are you frontloading with D-bol or just taking it daily throughout the course??

yes i frontloaded with dbol from week one and next week is the the last week (week 4 ) of dbol (week 1 & 4 3 tabs a day , , then week 2&3 4 tabs per day . . thus the 100 tabs over 4 weeks . . .

what u think?

hey guys

still waiting for some comments . . pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!! hehe

You can run Proviron, and I would start it off at 20mg and go anywhere as high as 100mg. I slowly increase proviron as my libido starts to decline. If you like you can run it up till the day you start PCT

Yep, agreed there. dont go over 100mg ED.
I would start taking it say closer to the end of the cycle. The benefits that u would want(hardening up,and well....lol hardening up) are always closer to the end of a cycle. U can start 2-3 weeks before the end of the cycle and then as pump said up to the pct.

Regards

Romp3L wrote: Yep, agreed there. dont go over 100mg ED.
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Why not?

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Romp3L wrote: Yep, agreed there. dont go over 100mg ED.
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Why not?

Oom jack that would be a very low dose for you.I'd say that youre set for a good 160mg's per day for good muscle gains. :laugh:

As this is what I have read on the subject of proviron. Taking more than 100mg is useless...like taking more than 40mg of dbol is also pointless. No extra gains ,just extra sides.

But that is my opinion and oom jack might not agree. More is not always better.

Regards

cool

thanks guys for the response and positive feedback!! MUCH APPRECIATED!! i will certainly start taking it towards then end of my course . . . .
@ Romp3L - at week 4 now and still feeling quite "HARD" and no problems in that department at the mo - hahaha but maybe that will drop as i continue with my course . . .

how long will i need to take Proviron for if i say start it at week 8 of my 10 week course? i will be doing 1 more week of test on its own (ie week 11) so then i start my PCT on week 14 . . . the question i want o ask is when do i start the Pregnyl?

i got one of those little bottles of the powder and 1 of the water . . .
thanks guys

When to start HCG has been said a thousand times, good read the PCT section it has answers to dose / mixing / when and how to use.

Romp3L wrote: As this is what I have read on the subject of proviron. Taking more than 100mg is useless...like taking more than 40mg of dbol is also pointless. No extra gains ,just extra sides.

But that is my opinion and oom jack might not agree. More is not always better.

Regards

I have used Proviron up to 200mg/day. More is better with this stuff.
You might get the dreaded 'permanent hardon" and need to go to emergencies for a drain at that dose! :laugh:

Anyway - my normal dose is 100mg/day. It works nicely.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Romp3L wrote: As this is what I have read on the subject of proviron. Taking more than 100mg is useless...like taking more than 40mg of dbol is also pointless. No extra gains ,just extra sides.
But that is my opinion and oom jack might not agree. More is not always better.

Regards

I have used Proviron up to 200mg/day. More is better with this stuff.
You might get the dreaded 'permanent hardon" and need to go to emergencies for a drain at that dose! :laugh:

Anyway - my normal dose is 100mg/day. It works nicely.

Yep, wel...we might dread it but the gf will smile all the way. ahaha. If not looking at just wel...hardons.lol. The hardening up that proviron gives is as jr says, great at 100mg/day.

Anyway , goodluck. let us know how it goes.
Regards

I see Proviron seems to be quite popular amongst the guys here. Does it really help with anything other than the hard-on's? I've read that it can improve the benefit of other drugs, but how effective is it really?

I came across this article by Bill Roberts and he basically says it's pretty much useless for bodybuilders....

Mesterolone (Proviron)

by Bill Roberts - Proviron (mesterolone) is an interesting anabolic steroid, though it is not of much value to bodybuilding..

It seems that the most common reason for many to consider including it in a steroid stack is for anti-estrogenic activity. In the days before anti-aromatases and the use of SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) such as Clomid and Nolvadex, there was some merit to this. An amount of aromatizing steroid marginally over the amount that would be tolerable without Proviron became tolerable with the inclusion of it.

However, the effect is indeed only marginal, and much better anti-estrogenic agents now exist. When these are used, there is no need for Proviron as an anti-estrogen.

The mechanism by which it has some effectiveness in this regard is from binding weakly to the estrogen receptor without activating it, and to the aromatase enzyme. In the first case, this partially reduces the number of receptor sites momentarily available to bind estrogen, thus reducing estrogenic activity. In the second case, some fraction of aromatase molecules at any given moment are unavailable to bind and convert testosterone, their binding sites being occupied with mesterolone.

The second most common reason is probably to address a fear that libido might be lost without it. It is true that when added to normal androgen levels, Proviron has an androgenic effect that in many cases improves libido. However, most anabolic steroids also have this same property. In a steroid cycle, adding Proviron accomplishes nothing further. Or in the case of anabolic steroids such as nandrolone (Deca) which for other reasons may adversely affect libido, Proviron provides no greater help against that than do various other anabolic steroids.

One of the interesting things about Proviron is that while it assays (tests) as being an effective anabolic in the rat, it is virtually useless for building muscle in man. This may be due to enhanced conversion in muscle tissue to the diol, but it may instead be due to some unknown reason.

Another interesting thing is that it enjoys some practical use as a pro-sexual agent inbetween cycles. Typically 50 mg is taken shortly before improved performance is expected to be useful.

Contrary to common belief, Proviron is somewhat inhibitory of the HPTA. Using it during the recovery phase as part of post-cycle therapy is counterproductive. It is also inadvisable for this reason to use it continuously while intending to be off-cycle, but occasional recreational use presents no problem.

Proviron has been used in female bodybuilding, but it has almost undoubtedly the worst ratio of anabolic effect to virilizing effect of any anabolic steroid in common use. The perceived value is in fat loss and “hardening,” but friendlier choices exist for this. Most of that value is from anti-estrogenic effect, which Nolvadex can also accomplish. And for an androgen component, there are better choices, including Primobolan.

Unlike almost all other orals, Proviron is not hepatotoxic, as it is not 17-alkylated.

Tablets are typically 25 mg, and taken one or two at a time. Amounts greater than this have no further effect on improving libido off-cycle, but if used for a specific occasion, whether on-cycle or off-cycle, may temporarily improve vascularity, if it is already noticeable but has room for improvement.

Read more from this MESO-Rx article at: www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/p...on.htm#ixzz1CzGg9PsM

Hi shaunrsa

It is true that proviron is useless on its own. It is best used to compliment other compounds as it frees up natural testosterone. It is not meant to be used only as an anti-estrogen such as Nolva or clomid, but it is advantageous to have these properties. I can honestly vouch for its ability to harden muscle and reduce water retension and I will always include it in all my cycles. All the competitive bodybuilders that I know and one of them is an SA champ, use proviron in their pre-contest cycles.

As Stuartf said, it's also a useless AI.. However I have used it alone and noticed allot of hardness but that's about it. However it's a must for every cycle

Thanks guys. I will definitely have a closer look at it.

I used it for the first time in my last cycle and I kind of fell in love with it. For libido its really awesome and you should use it up to the day before PCT.