prop

does pinning test prop at the start of a long ester cycle help kickstart the strength gains. on a 12 week enanthate or cyp cycle how would one incorporate prop at the start with dbol and to bridge pct.

lets assume the long ester is run at 600mg/week

Indeed the Prop will be brilliant as a front load, you can even leave out the d-bol. But that's up to you.

Please explain the following, "and to bridge pct"?

Hey bud

Are u talking about using the prop in the two weeks u wait for the lang ester to clear up? so u can stay anabolic in the two weeks u wait for pct.

Why do you need to bridge bro? You competing?

Fakey_AK wrote: Hey bud

Are u talking about using the prop in the two weeks u wait for the lang ester to clear up? so u can stay anabolic in the two weeks u wait for pct.

hi guys
exactly what Fakey AK is saying above. no im not competing. and what doses would one run , for how long and do you mix it with the long ester
regards

No - You can the long Ester and switch to short. If you used TestProp you would start PCT 2 days after last pin. If Winny, the next day and so on.
I've ALWAYS used this and ALWAYS recovered. I usually run TestProp 1 month past the main cycle with Proviron.

what dosage do u use JR?
and what about frontloading with prop

Normally i just carry on with the Prop since most cycles are short estered. But 150-200mg EOD would be my dose. Most guys will have a nice run-out with 100-150mg EOD.

Front loading with prop is good. Im not so sure why you'd want to front load with prop AND STILL use dbol though. Generally people opt for the prop instead of the dbol as their livers are saved from the toxicity of the oral.

Sorry to jack, but was just wanting clarification on this -

Scenario: Ice Rip is doing an enth/cyp cycle (10 weeks). After last cyp/enth pin, he decides to run prop in the 2 week gap before pct to stay at optimum anabolism and to allow long ester to clear.

Question: What are the implications with regard to maintenance of stable blood levels? Will going from pinning 250 - 300mg twice weekly to eod 100 - 150mg pins not affect blood levels?

good question

so would one just replace the dbol and use prop eod and do you mix the prop with the long esters when your prop shot and cyp shot fall on the same day. i.e on monday 150mg prop and 300mg cyp

guys there is more reasons to running orals than waiting for the longer esters kick in,there is an increase of igf and growth hormone by the orals being broken down by the liver... so thats the reason i suggest orals and thats why some guys get leaner on dbol,also dbol can increase dopamine levels which can also help in adding in the fat burning factor on lower calories...

Testosterone increase IGF and hGH so using Test Suspension the few days before PCT is beneficial. You can also achieve a rise in hGH just by shifting your diet in the last 2 weeks.

The reason I don't like orals at the end of the cycle unless it is something mild like Anavar / Proviron / Primo is it places more strain on your body and is very toxic, even a 1 week cycle of Winstrol. This way you not stepping from that toxicity of Dianabol or Winstrol into PCT which is also toxic.

The other option is to use Clen while it might not make you anabolic due to the doses you need to take it will prevent you from being catabolic.

If you have a healthy body you can use Winstrol but why put that strain on yourself? So the way I see it is there is no beneficial using an oral over a short acting testosterone.

can someone please advise what a frontload and cycle would look like using prop and cyp only. cycle length 12 weeks and cyp dosage either 500mg or 750mg per week. i will pin cyp mon and thurs. please advise how and when to pin the prop and on a cycle

thanks

u will have to pin monday wednesday and friday, 1ml test cyp,1ml test prop.

good advise 00pump. Always prefer injectables to orals.

ice-rip wrote: can someone please advise what a frontload and cycle would look like using prop and cyp only. cycle length 12 weeks and cyp dosage either 500mg or 750mg per week. i will pin cyp mon and thurs. please advise how and when to pin the prop and on a cycle

thanks

What doses of test prop would you be running.How much test prop do you have.

thats the advice im looking for pumped. from what i have read, i think 150mg monday wednesday friday and so on. does that sound right with my cyp dose

100-150mg per shot is the norm for front loading with prop.it depends on how long you are planning on front loading for,3-6 weeks can be considered a front load...i have recently started my cycle and i am currently using 1ml prop,1ml super test 3x a week... so doing 1ml test cyp and 1 ml prop 3 times a week will be ideal for what you are looking to do...

shot DJ. so i would run the prop until week 6 nad exclude the dbols then. so effectively for the first 6 weeks during frontload i will be getting 900mg of test. and do u pin Mon. Wed and Fri