starting next cycle early

hi guys
i want to find out what risks i put myself through by starting my cycle next monday. my previous cycle ended 25/11/2010 and i am still busy with the last part of my pct namely 20mg kessar/day. due to one hell of a festive and improper diet and not training, i look and feel like shit. i was planning on doing 600mg test cyp a week with either deca or eq. is it advisable to start so soon or does the body really require this break.

What was your last cycle bud?

Dude, time off is the sum of .. time on gear + PCT..

So if you where on gear for 12 weeks and then PCT for another 14 you need 16 weeks break from the time you stopped your last cycle.

If you abused your body then I would STRONGLY suggest cleaning it out and training clean and letting your body recover. This is the times you land up causing damage, if you where CLEAN in December and just trained and ate and you need to achieve a certain goal by such and such a date I would say go for it.

gr8 advice as always.

my last cycle was 600mg test cyp/week for 12 weeks

Dude, of course you can shrink that time a little, and I very much understand You just don't want to run into issues with fertility (unless you not interested in kids).

That is my biggest concern, regardless of PCT, if your body decides one day you shooting blanks, all the PCT tricks in the world might not be enough. I would strongly suggest any male athlete who wants to use steroids but still wants to have kids look at getting some stuff freezed so if you do decide one day to have kids and you can't then at least you can at least get your girl pregnant with that.

Other than that, if you body is healthy and running at optimum then just to play it safe go to a physical and see if all returns back good. If it does then you can shorten your break between cycles. I would still like to give your body at leats a months break after your PCT is completed.

Go buy a GOOD pre-workout supplement, something like jack 3d and use that, you will have a really good session. Within 2 weeks you will be happy where you at, least when you start your cycle, you back at your peak and you can use your next cycle to progress. Otherwise all you doing is using steroids to get you back to were you where, which doesn't make sense.

00Pump... Thanks for that advice... think i am in the sam baot as ice-rip... want to get started on my next cycle ASAP! But do understand that i need to give my body a break. Got really good results from my last cycle!
Once you've been on cycle, to gym off cycle almost feels pointless.

Basically, i have a goal in mind, and will stop using gear when i get to that point.
But, i am still a young guy, so, the road ahead is a long one...
I even wish i was at the age where it would be safe for me to start HGH already, but it is quite an investment monthly!

Mr_SA what you need to realize for me anyway is it takes around about 2 / 3 weeks after I have completed PCT for gym to actual feel like I'm achieving anything. During PCT and the 2/3 weeks after PCT I feel slugish and down.

I find that using this jack 3d supplement really has helped give me a nice push. The other option what you can do is get some HEAT and take 1 / 2 caps before gym, Eph gives you some real nice strength gains. Mix jack3d with 2 HEAT tablets and trust me you throwing weights around and you just wont want to leave the gym.

I also find using Clomid makes me really down and lazy and not wanting to gym, that is why I prefer just to use Novla in my PCT or if I do use Clomid only 50mg for 5 days.

Get some jack3d and get some HEAT and then let me know if you not keen to gym

I find with the jack3d it doens't have enough creatine so you need to supplement with it. I take the jack3d and after training take another serving of creatine. On non training days just take your supplemented creatine.

Pump i also felt like crap while on clomid @ 50mg x 2 per day for 7 days recently. I was really sick and depressed and wanted to stay in bed the whole week. As soon as i started with the nolva i felt human again

Sorry for the mini jack

party on;)

From all my research you do not need Clomid in a cycle, if you do ask the person to give you scientific proof as to why it is necessary. Nolvadex is a much more cleaner SERM and is all you need in this regard. 20mg of Nolva is as strong as 100mg of Clomid.

i know this is random but what if ur not interested in having any kids??? both my wifey and i have agreed on one child so... and i am looking at getting the tubes tied anyways??

You still required to bring balance to your body, or you need to look at moving to HRT. So then all you do is a cycle then afterwards, don't worry about PCT but just move straight to HRT.

Trensetta wrote: i know this is random but what if ur not interested in having any kids??? both my wifey and i have agreed on one child so... and i am looking at getting the tubes tied anyways??

You could probably run 6-12month long cycles if you can handle the sides. But you still have to be careful though, you dont want to be on TRT any sooner than you have to

Deadgoat wrote:

Trensetta wrote: i know this is random but what if ur not interested in having any kids??? both my wifey and i have agreed on one child so... and i am looking at getting the tubes tied anyways??

You could probably run 6-12month long cycles if you can handle the sides. But you still have to be careful though, you dont want to be on TRT any sooner than you have to

Deadgoat, I would strongly not advise that, the reason we cycle steroids is not because of kids it is because of the damage to your body. If you not intrested in kids then go on hormone replacement therapy, however if you young I would do a proper PCT and take time off. It's all about balance, and thats what you need, and going on HRT when you don't need to is not being balanced in my books...

00pump wrote:

Deadgoat wrote:

Trensetta wrote: i know this is random but what if ur not interested in having any kids??? both my wifey and i have agreed on one child so... and i am looking at getting the tubes tied anyways??

You could probably run 6-12month long cycles if you can handle the sides. But you still have to be careful though, you dont want to be on TRT any sooner than you have to

Deadgoat, I would strongly not advise that, the reason we cycle steroids is not because of kids it is because of the damage to your body. If you not intrested in kids then go on hormone replacement therapy, however if you young I would do a proper PCT and take time off. It's all about balance, and thats what you need, and going on HRT when you don't need to is not being balanced in my books...

:blush: oops lol @Trensetta forget what I said

Not taking a break from gear would be like not taking a break from training, your body would eventually shut down from what you are doing to it!

If gear didn't affect my skin the way it does, i would use it ALOT more!!
I am just about finished my PCT of my last course, and just cant get my skin to clear..
Definitely unbalanced hormones at the moment!!
I cant stand having bad skin... ends up stressing me out BIG time!

@ 00pump. . .thanks yeah i thought as much just though i might be able to extend my cycles slightly but i think even though the tubes are getting tied i am going to stick to normal procedure as the sides and damage to the body as you say are severe. i am starting my next bulking cycle next week but will stick to normal procedure and Doctari's PCT. . .

@Deadgoat no worries bud:) we all learn something new every day.

oh another question can you run Doctari's(Ovidrel) PCT regardless of how heavy your cycle is??

P>S> sorry for ambushing your post ice-rip

@00pump HRT comprising of???

Somethig like a shot of sus every 10 days. Jack would best answer this

i am with my wife for ten years nows. 8 years dating and we coulnt get pregnant. i remeber my 1st encounter with pregnyl was when her gyne gave her a shot. i have heard of it before and when i told him bodybuilders used it but i wasnt sure why at the time- he said they were crazy. and that coming from a doctor who doent understand how hcg would work in a male.

i have tried a lot of the preworkouts. for me nothing compares to muscle marinade in terms of strength. problem though is sleep and i used to use half dose. another thing is that i had a resting heart rate of 92 bpm which is crazy. and that was checked early in the morning while in bed. it has returned to around 70 now that i have stopped preworkouts for a while.

i have realy let myself down during the festive going overboard with the beers and missing meals and training. although i still foloowed my pct, 4 kgs were lost in a metter of two weeks. my dumbell press for chest dropped now from 46kgs to 38kgs the last time i tried and i became depressed and despondant. i know hat the right answer here is guys. the body needs a break and thats the right thing to do. i mean this isnt supps we are talking about here, its hormones.

when i started, i said all i am going to do is 250mg/week of test for 8 weeks. after researching , i changed this to 600mg/week of test cyp but that was also only going to be for 8 weeks. guess what? after 5 weeks only, the strngth came in and after 8 the compliments at work , the gym etc. i was king of the world and being 2 metres tall, it only meant the size was amplfied and u were more noticed. so i said 10 weeks will be the cutt off- but more size and more strength came. so i said ill push on to 12 weeks but in the last two weeks only experienced more acne. so i researched admins advise on pct and did that. during that time though, the same ppl who gave u the compliments, were the first to tell you how small you are becoming and therefore u feel like shit and wish u could stay on forever. am i addicted to gear. im afraid i would have to say yes as i cant wait for myself to get that size, confidence, strength , libido etc etc etc again.

my sad story in a nutshell

Trensetta wrote: i know this is random but what if ur not interested in having any kids??? both my wifey and i have agreed on one child so... and i am looking at getting the tubes tied anyways??

Long term HGH with 6 week cycles is still your best bet.

00pump wrote: Somethig like a shot of sus every 10 days. Jack would best answer this

Thats what i am planning more or less - Testoviron/TestE 250mg/week.
Thats actually a bit high on most HRT forums and guys are on as little as 100mg/week and keeping stable test levels in the normal range.
My dad is on Nebido/test undecanoate every 3 months and doing pretty well. Aparently the latest is that the 3 month period should be shortened! Looks like research and interest in this field is climbing rapidly - thank goodness.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

00pump wrote: Somethig like a shot of sus every 10 days. Jack would best answer this

Thats what i am planning more or less - Testoviron/TestE 250mg/week.
Thats actually a bit high on most HRT forums and guys are on as little as 100mg/week and keeping stable test levels in the normal range.
My dad is on Nebido/test undecanoate every 3 months and doing pretty well. Aparently the latest is that the 3 month period should be shortened! Looks like research and interest in this field is climbing rapidly - thank goodness.

so are u guys saying that one could pin 100mg of test cyp every two weeks on a contonious basis

ice-rip wrote:

jackrabbit1 wrote:

00pump wrote: Somethig like a shot of sus every 10 days. Jack would best answer this

Thats what i am planning more or less - Testoviron/TestE 250mg/week.
Thats actually a bit high on most HRT forums and guys are on as little as 100mg/week and keeping stable test levels in the normal range.
My dad is on Nebido/test undecanoate every 3 months and doing pretty well. Aparently the latest is that the 3 month period should be shortened! Looks like research and interest in this field is climbing rapidly - thank goodness.

so are u guys saying that one could pin 100mg of test cyp every two weeks on a contonious basis

NO! ONLY TRT = Testosterone REPLACEMENT Therapy. I have all my kids. Vasectomy etc. I dont need my balls(much). Shheeeeeesh! Sometimes i wonder about feeding information.
Comeon man this is not too hard is it?

The male testes produce 56mg of Test per week. So just equal it with exogenous Test. So Sustanon once or twice a month should be good to go.