Compounds in Urine.

Help Needed,

The interet has not been a great source of information regarding how long certain compounds stay in your urine for, if anyone has accurate answers about the following please hit me up

- PGW Test Prop
- PGW Test E
- LP Nolva
- LP Clomid
- Merck HGC
- Schering Proviron

Maverick.

After a quick search I came up with these answers for now. But read the last section as it has a major influence on matters.

Proviron 5 weeks
Test enat 3 months
Test Prop 2-3 weeks

Factors which influence the detection times
Metabolism
Fluid intake
Tolerance to the drug
Frequency of intake
Duration of intake
Body fat
Potency of drug
Dosage

Hey bud.

This is quite a long read, but worth it. Hopefully it'll help.

EXTRACT FROM THE WEB

There has been recent discussion on this topic, and I thought more might be beneficial. The biological half-life or elimination half life of a substance is the time it takes for a substance (for example a metabolite, drug, signalling molecule, radioactive nuclide, or other substance) to lose half of its pharmacologic, physiologic, or radiologic activity, as per the MeSH definition. In a medical context, half-life may also describe the time it takes for the blood plasma concentration of a substance to halve ("plasma half-life") its steady-state. The relationship between the biological and plasma half-lives of a substance can be complex, due to factors including accumulation in tissues, active metabolites, and receptor interactions.

Let's say that the half-life of Testosterone Enanthate is 14 days. (It may or may not be). This means that if you injected 500mg, then 14 days later, you would still have 250mg. It does not mean that 14 days after that you would have 0mg.

Imagine that you have a 1 liter container. You fill it with 500ml orange juice and 500ml water. You make a very small hole in the bottom, so that over the course of 14 days 500ml leaks out. At the end of 14 days, there will be 250ml each of water and juice. Add 500ml water and wait 14 days. Now you will have 125ml juice and 275ml water. Add 500ml water and wait 14 days. Now you will have 62.5ml juice and 437.5ml water. Add 500ml water and wait 14 days. You will now have 31.25ml juice and 467.75ml water. Top off with 500ml water and wait 14 days. Now after 5 half-lives, or 70 days, you are down to 15.625ml juice.

So after one 1/2, you are down to 50%, after 2x1/2, 25%. Then 12-1/2%, 6-1/4%. So it take 4 half-lives to be 94% clear. After 5 half-lives, you are 97% clear and this is when your blood and urine are considered "clean. So you can see that it also takes 4 or 5 half-lives to achieve a "steady-state" concentration. That is, for it to be eliminated as fast as it is building up.

I am going to present a simplistic model, close enough for illustrative purposes. Lets say 500 mg week Test E and a two week half-life, with once a week injections.

After one week you will inject 500mg (Injection #2), still having 375mg left from Injection#1(#1). After two weeks you will inject 500mg (#3), still having 250mg from (#1), and 375 from (#2). Three weeks = 500mg (#4) + 375mg (#3), 250mg (#2), 188mg (#1). Four weeks = 500mg (#5) + 375 (#4)+250(#3)+188(#2)+125(#1). So you see, after 2 half-lives, Injection #1 is @ 25%. By the time we get to week 10, or 5 half-lives we have 500+375+250+188+125+93+62+46+31+24+16(or 15.625 actually). You now have 1,710mg and will keep this "steady state" as long as you continue this dosing. You can see why the long esters start to "kick in" after several weeks. (You could always front-load with a couple grams a week the first two weeks.)

So, whenever you stop, you will have 1,710mg in your body. two weeks after that you will have 855mg. After 4 weeks, 427.25mg. After 6 weeks, 214mg test still hanging around. After two months you will still have over 100mg test E and this is more than "normal".

I hope this makes it more clear as to why an AI ran during PCT makes sense. And why merely blocking all this estrogen with a SERM such as nolva could conceivably lead to a rebound if discontinued too soon, and why some folks get gyno post-cycle. Personally, I feel the half-life of test E is probably closer to 10 days, but that would just mean it takes 50 days instead of 70 to build up to the steady state, and 50 days instead of 70 to be 97% clear. Either way, you're still talking supra-physiological levels well into PCT and beyond.

It also suggests to me that one could continue to sustain a higher volume training-wise, if that's what they were doing on-cycle, as you will still have considerable cortisol blockage for a good 3-4 weeks post-cycle with a long ester. After that I would decrease training volume to avoid a cortisol rebound eating at your gains.

Peace...

Maverick wrote: Help Needed,

The interet has not been a great source of information regarding how long certain compounds stay in your urine for, if anyone has accurate answers about the following please hit me up

- PGW Test Prop
- PGW Test E
- LP Nolva
- LP Clomid
- Merck HGC
- Schering Proviron

Maverick.

Hmm are you asking due to competitions? Because I know all bloods need to be sent to a lab in the freesate and if come back positive, this may lead to a criminal case. This was told to me by my specialst.

Never heard of that before.I mean all successful bodybuilders use gear .So what the hell they gonna do? They cant stop guys from using gear i mean think about it there are probably more people hooked on drugs than people USING steroids for a performance enhancement.So why bother about steroids.

00pump, could you please elaborate on the criminal offence statement.

You can't even charge somebody after they've taken cocaine unless its like DUI or something.

Hmmm, as quoted from her, testing for anabolic steroids can be done by blood sent to the freestate. The result if came back positive could result in a criminal offence. Thats all I know, not all your labs can do this test.

Hmmm, as for cocain, etc I was under the impression they have the technology to test your swet and able to make an arrest if result returns positive

I don't want to get into a debate about this but there's no way that they can arrest you for using illegal drug after its been consumed and you don't have any on you.

Maybe for being intoxicated in public but no change that it'll be a drug charge.

vega5, I only argue what I know, and I know nothing about the laws

Thanks for sharing.

vega5 wrote: I don't want to get into a debate about this but there's no way that they can arrest you for using illegal drug after its been consumed and you don't have any on you.

Maybe for being intoxicated in public but no change that it'll be a drug charge.

As told me by a Narc - "you are not allowed to have it in or on your body." They can test your blood if they suspect something.

Well then i guess they've got a lot of testing to do.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

vega5 wrote: I don't want to get into a debate about this but there's no way that they can arrest you for using illegal drug after its been consumed and you don't have any on you.

Maybe for being intoxicated in public but no change that it'll be a drug charge.

As told me by a Narc - "you are not allowed to have it in or on your body." They can test your blood if they suspect something.

Thats what I suspected too. My specialist also told me this because she believes her son is on anabolics and is unable to do blood tests due to the quote in my post above. I would have guessed she would like to have done the tests but is nervous of having legal implications with her son or I would assume she would have done the tests all ready.

I'll ask former SAPS colleagues about this but when I was in SAPS there was nothing you could do because what do you charge the person with? Think about it, have you ever heard of a athlete being criminally charged when found to have used a banned substance?

Then it would be easy to crack down on the druggies, you just arrest and test but NO! You have to find it on then to have even the slightest chance in court.

vega5 wrote: I'll ask former SAPS colleagues about this but when I was in SAPS there was nothing you could do because what do you charge the person with? Think about it, have you ever heard of a athlete being criminally charged when found to have used a banned substance?

Then it would be easy to crack down on the druggies, you just arrest and test but NO! You have to find it on then to have even the slightest chance in court.

haha - another old cop! Dont suppose it was military service was it?

That was how it worked in the old days. Tests were just too expensive. Now there are pocket test kits. I remember the rave days - swallow and laugh. Not so anymore.

As for random tests for anabolics.... well i think that is the last thing they will want to check for.
I think its mainly for DUI. You have to be pretty wired to give away that you are on chemicals.

Im not so sure about the testing for driving under influence of drugs part, but what i do know in terms of being found with drugs on you is that the BIG kak starts when you've been caught with an amount that deems you 'in possession with intent to distribute'.

I was caught with a few ekkies a while back. It wasnt enough for them to think i was selling the stuff but they roughed me up a bit & took them and my money away!

Just my 2c...

Peace...

Everybody's probably gonna hose themselves now but what's an "ekkie"?

And the change of you being blood tested for DUI while under the influence of drug are virtually null, just don't act like an intoxicated moron at the roadblock.

Jy's nie alleen nie. Haven't got a clue what an "ekkie" is.

an ekkie is one of the street names for (3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine), an entactogenic drug, also known as "Ecstasy", and as "E", "X", "Thizz" and "XTC"

Read the forum rules bro.

8. This is NOT a forum for the discussion of recreational drugs.

If you are into recreational drugs (coke, ecstacy, etc..), that is your personal choice. However, most of us here are pursuing a lifestyle where we are trying to better ourselves... not destroy ourselves. Keep all discussion of recreational drugs off our forum. You will get banned here if you bring them up. This is not the place to discuss them. Recreational drugs have no place in the bodybuilding lifestyle. There will be some leeway for serious, informative questions regarding AAS usage and rec. drugs such as marijuana, but the line is very thin and shall not be taken advantage of. Keep the questions limited regarding rec. drugs.

that was hardly breaking the rule, just talking about police action

Fully agree with you and the forum rules pumped; however take into consideration the context in which its being used. We're not discussing rec drugs, but (as stated by Spike), police action.

@ Dreamer - thanks for the breakdown bud

Peace...

Lets keep it back on topic

BTW - my bloods testing for Testosterone while on cycle always showed low levels.
They dont specifically test for exogeneous Testosterone.

I know that when they test you while doing sport they can ban you, but I mean if someone in the office suppects something and they test you, what can they do?