New beginning :-) advice needed...

Greetings to anyone offering advice...

I am genetically build small guy, I can get ripped fairly easily and loose fat but it takes a fair amount of time to get worthy results. Now I am keen on getting fit again and continuing where I left for personal gain. Since I know my physical limits I would like to boost it and progress quicker this time.

Looking at using anabolic steroids and some fat burners advice. Fat burners to get lean again quickly as possible and anabolic steroids to make up for my genetic limitation. This would be the first time and I have done a fair amount of reading up on it. I well aware of the consequences and more or less what to buy.. I am also paranoid of purchasing fake goods..?

I am not wanting to compete in any form of body building related activities or sport this is only for personal gain and any advice would be awesome... possibly even if someone can contact me privately that would be great too. EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED. I am keen on purchasing and jumping into this as I should be physically ready within a few weeks.

Many thanks in advance for any help and advice.

Christiaan, the best beginner's cycle in my opinion would be a Testosterone cycle with Anavar or Winstrol towards the end.

I attached a sample cycle to this post so that you can have a look at it. Just note that I don't know what your stats are, so it's difficult to give you good advice on the dosages.

BTW: I got your email, but I'm to respond here so that others can give you advice as well.

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Hi

thanks for the advice, the cycle looks like what I had in mind. As I mentioned I am genetically small build 180cm tall. My weight has always been more around 75kg. Previously I was unable to get beyond the 85kg mark. I am back down to 75kg with obviously more body fat since I have not really been at the gym for more than a year. My goal & ideal weight I would like to maintain is anywhere around 95kg with much lower percentage of fat. It takes me around three months to reach my limit depending on how hard I work out.

this time round I am eager to reach my goal and willing to do what ever it takes "safely".

What I had in mind is to burn all my fat and get my fitness level back up before I start with the anabolic steroids. Is there anything I can take to help with the burning of fat and speed up fitness level?

Also I understand the concept of cycles and the PCT etc... But what about liver protection? Or rather since this is my first time how much can be toxic to the liver and when should I consider protection? I don't see anabolic steroids being part of the life style only something to help me achieve my goal, which is not out of scope.. but would I need to keep using it to maintain my muscle tissue? Or is simply just going to gym with decent diet and supplements reasonable?

Otherwise my body is in perfect condition with no health problems...

vision wrote:

... As I mentioned I am genetically small build 180cm tall. My weight has always been more around 75kg.

Yes, those dosages are fine for someone weighing 75kg.

vision wrote:

Is there anything I can take to help with the burning of fat and speed up fitness level?

Have a look at PGW Clen 100x 40mcg. It's an awesome product. There's a nice thread in the dieting section about the most effective fat burners... go have a look there as well.

vision wrote:

But what about liver protection? Or rather since this is my first time how much can be toxic to the liver and when should I consider protection?

That cycle is not very toxic at all, so don't worry about liver protection for this particular cycle.

vision wrote:

... but would I need to keep using it to maintain my muscle tissue? Or is simply just going to gym with decent diet and supplements reasonable?

No, you will be able to keep most of your muscle as long as you keep on training and having a good diet.

Many thanks once again for your advice!

This forum is extremely helpful!

Vision, your question, if I understand it correctly, is what you should do to loose the fat? But not to use the AAS the same time while on a fat burner? The best way to loose fat, is to build lean muscle - lean muscle is the furnace that can burn up all that fat!!

Why not use them both at the same time?!! I am sure you will have faster and better results.

Also remember that PCT is as important as your AAS cycle. It is precisely PCT that basically assists you in retaining most of your gains from AAS cycle.

Good luck!

At your size you could easily put that weight on by the end of the year, naturally!

Just eat like a monster and don't overtrain. Get lots of sleep.

How many calories do you consume? How much protein? HOw old are you?

I agree with Doctari here ,, Don't bother trying to lose fat and then build muscle. Do it at the same time

at 180cm at 75kg I really don't think you should be trying to lose fat.

As you put on More muscle,, you will lose bodyfat,, as Doctari says,, the Best way to burn fat is to gain muscle.

I think you goal of getting to 95kg in three months is a little far reaching,, not many people can put on 20kgs of muscle in 3 months.

That cycle is very mild,, and not liver toxic,,Maybe a little on the "too safe" side I would not expect huge gains on it,, but if you maintain your training / nutrition you should keep most of them..

If you want to make bigger gains up the test to 500mg/ wk (which is still mild) and add 40mg dbol / day for the 1st 4 weeks.. I would use winstrol instead of Anavar (my feeling is that Anavar is too mild for boys)

Batman, did you now that Anavar has the highest anabolic:androgenic ratio than all oral AAS's? mg for mg it has the highest potency, if I can recall compared to testosterone, it has a ratio 16 times higher! Anapolan(rated by most the "grand Daddy of them all") only having a ratio value of 4?

Doctari wrote:

Batman, did you now that Anavar has the highest anabolic:androgenic ratio than all oral AAS's? mg for mg it has the highest potency, if I can recall compared to testosterone, it has a ratio 16 times higher! Anapolan(rated by most the "grand Daddy of them all") only having a ratio value of 4?

Anavar is my favourite oral... in fact it's the only oral I use; mainly due to my sensitivity to oestrogen and the liver damage I obtained from venomous snake bites when I used to breed with reptiles a few years back. :S

I hear what you guys say,, it has a very high anabolic to androgen ratio = no virilization = Good for girls, or Fame Models,, Anavar gives you good solid gains,, like primo ,,but the gains are slow,, I like getting a little swollen from dbol, Not saying my way is right,, just that's what I prefer. I'm into instant gratification,, pop some dbol and 1 1/2 later you're stronger.

Admin,,

Have you tried Legalon for your liver?, I had serious liver problems from abusing high dose orals for way too long. I was real bad --I thought I had diabetes, every time I ate I felt sick and lethargic. Went to my doc and he diagnosed it straight away,, took my liver values and they were through the roof,,

He made me stop all Orals and prescribed Legalon,, It worked like a charm, my liver came back 100%. I take milk thistle now religously (Legalon is really just a pharmaceutical version of milk thistle) But I use orals now with now problems.

This is crazy.

You max out after 3months... Wat? Do you train like a girl and eat like mickey mouse. Sorry guys, I don't wanna be that guy that just criticizes everybody but come on...

P.s. No offence to Admin, but your post was quite funny, "when I used to breed WITH reptiles a few years back". :woohoo: Gave me a good laugh at the end of a poopy day.

Inja wrote:

P.s. No offence to Admin, but your post was quite funny, "when I used to breed WITH reptiles a few years back". :woohoo: Gave me a good laugh at the end of a poopy day.

Why do you think I got bitten in the first place?

admin wrote:

Why do you think I got bitten in the first place?