Ifbb cycles

howsit guys,

I have been wondering about this for some time now.My friends and I have been speculating about this topic.. What and howmuch gear do you guys think the pro's like ronnie, phil and Jay use to look the way they look all-year round?? Maybe some of you know actual pro's and their cycles??

Everybody's input should be interesting...

If memory serves me correct, there is a thread about this, just not sure what it was called....

I would think that they use a fair amount of all 3 types of steroids:19 nor derived ,DHT and testosterone based steroids.

Here's what i would think that they use during their bulking cycle:
Week: 1-6 d-bol @ 80mg's per day.
Week:1-20 Equipoise @ 1200mg's per week.
Week: 1-20 Deca @ 1200mg's per week.
Week: 20-22 Test prop @ 100mg's per day.
Proviron @ 80mg's per day right through the whole cycle.

Pumped wrote: I would think that they use a fair amount of all 3 types of steroids:19 nor derived ,DHT and testosterone based steroids.

Here's what i would think that they use during their bulking cycle:
Week: 1-6 d-bol @ 80mg's per day.
Week:1-20 Equipoise @ 1200mg's per week.
Week: 1-20 Deca @ 1200mg's per week.
Week: 20-22 Test prop @ 100mg's per day.
Proviron @ 80mg's per day right through the whole cycle.

I think you might have the test dosages and duration wrong...

Pumped u are pretty wrong with that,some pro's use 3000mg of test a week,750mg tren a week and 1750mg equi a week...depending on who they are listening to!some ifbb pro's use alot of gear as they are dick heads and do their own cycles,the ones that use guru's and coaches dont use half of that...i have seen a cycle that has been designed by one of those gurus and u will be surprised how LITTLE they use.2g of gear a week when bulking about 2.5g a week when cutting.

well then please post it if you can DJ.

i would love to but i am not going to,i have been shown these cycles by a close friend and he has asked me to keep it to myself...the gurus/pro creators these days do not use MAHOOOOOSIV dosing as u may think,they use a shit load of calories and juice to grow,just like all the old guys used to...u dont quite realise how much food they consume,if u saw a pro creator off season diet and tried to follow it u would get sick....i know with Hany Rambod he makes u eat all your protein,and he uses pretty much 2grams of protein per pound of over all mass,so someone who is 130kgs is EATING 580g of protein a day roughly,thats more than some people eat in all their caloires a day! thats 2300 calories from protein... add in 200g of carbs(usually alot more) and 100g of fat u are looking at a small side of 4000 calories

holy shit! thats allot of calories. and do they simply train (weights and cardio) to balance out the calorie input to be able to cut then DJ? or is this where the secret sauce comes in?

when dieting they eventually do cut down the calories and add in cardio,more training etc at the end of the day if u reset your metabolism to 4000 calories and cut out 500calories and add in 30mins HIIT cardio every day u are still gonna cut a kg of body fat a week....

I saw a twitter post by Phil Heath the other and he said he eats 6500cals a day in the off season. And I know the pros also use a lot of GH and insulin

On the diet side i know Jay cutler on his pre contest diet he chows on a low carb day 300g, medium carb day 500 - 700 g and high carb days 1000 - 1200 g a day. Now thats alot of carbs in 1 day.

Yeah I know its crazy how much carbs these guys take. I checked Malvin Anthony's diet last year and he took in 380g of oats a day while dieting for a comp.

But these guys also use t3 to increase their metabolism , there's no way in hell that they eat all this food without some sort of metabolism enhancer.

I somehow doubt it. Carrying 130kg of which 90% muscle will by itself burn half of that just as resting energy.

If you take some time and follow Jay's day you would see the amount of cardio he does. His Weight training sessions are gruelling. I tried to do 70% of the leg day - thats 70% of whatever he did, and couldn't get close. i think he eats to keep the muscle - if he doesnt he loses.

jackrabbit1 wrote: If you take some time and follow Jay's day you would see the amount of cardio he does. His Weight training sessions are gruelling. I tried to do 70% of the leg day - thats 70% of whatever he did, and couldn't get close. i think he eats to keep the muscle - if he doesnt he loses.

My point exactly, I think guys underestimate the amout of food these guys eats. I checked Marius Dohne eat a while back at man that guy ate oats and eggs that the buffet could almost not keep up with cooking it.

i read somewhere once that the body needs 15 calories on average to maintain a pound of muscle so thats about 33calories per kg so if joe average is 100kg he would need 3300 calories which is not to far off normal maintance levels for someone of that weight. now 130kgs x 33cals = 3990calories roughly to maintain,add on 750-1000 calories for energy expenditure per days training, and the another 500-1000calories to be in a calorie surplus u are looking at 5500-6000calories a day to grow...so no they dont need to use t3 all year round and anyway, i know that Hany rambod and george farah didnt use more than 25mcg's a day of t3 during the dieting phase!! the way that these guys do diets and training shedules and cardio programs u expect magic and u know what its not all that magical,yes the use of tren,t3,fat burners,growth hormone and cardio does amazing things for body fat but there is no magic...everyone says that George Farah uses DNP for his clients,and his reply to the question of DNP was "don't take that shit,it will make you old quickly and kill you" so at the end of the day,good nutrition,good steroids,quality training is what makes good bodybuilders not magic.

spoke to my trainer and when he was in the states for a comp one of the pro's juice bill was 25 thousand DOLLARS and that was three weeks out of contest ...

Thats insane it makes my R1200+- a month look like peanuts.

I wonder how much jack the rabbit spends on his gear a month on average.I can only imagine.

Pumped wrote: Thats insane it makes my R1200+- a month look like peanuts.

I wonder how much jack the rabbit spends on his gear a month on average.I can only imagine.

Very little. TRT probably R200 per MONTH.
Future cycles 600/week for 6 8 weeks.

If you think about it, a good (conservative dose) 8 week cutting cycle is at least R500/week. That is only the juice. I like to use "better" and more supplements as well while on cycle and that is prob another R1500/month. Not easy or cheap looking good:laugh:

speaking to the trainer yet again ... when he won SA's there was a guy competeting in the middle weight catergory ... two weeks after comp the poor guy kicked it .. blood tox levels where taken and the guy had 23 foreign illegal substances in his body ... thats alot of gear .. trainer also says he used to take up to 5 to 6 A bombs a day and crazy amounts of test. He ran oils and then 3 weeks out ran water based gear. I will ask him for details ..

Came across this

Inside The World of Professional Bodybuilding

"When my guys tell you it costs more than $25,000 to get ready for a big contest, do you think they’re talking about pasta?"

—Wayne Demilia, President of the International Federation of Body Builders (IFBB)

As quoted from the New York Times May 13, 2001

The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder

As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).

Week 14

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 13

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 12

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 11

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 10

200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg


Week 9

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 8

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

3 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 7

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

4 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg


Week 6

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*


Week 5

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*


Week 4

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week 3

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week 2

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg/day mesterolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

100 mg/day Testosterone suspension

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*


Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week

100 mg/day mesterolone

100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*

Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*

*Androgen totals do not include site injections of formyldienolone or oral administration of testolactone.