Winstrol

Quick question. My mates brother is taking Winstrol. Apart from his age, which i think is too young to be doing anything remotely more than whey or creatine, i have some concerns.

A - he is taking it alone. No other roids with it. Is this best use of it?
B - He is bulking? I thought it was used in a cutting cycle to maintain lean muscle.
C - its in pill format. He only takes 1 pill a day? Everywhere i read you need to take like 25mg a day (50mg in liquid form). One small pill cant be enough to see results.
D - He isnt taking any liver tonic like milk thistle. I read on this website it is very toxic in pill format to your liver.
E - He has more than 100 pills. I recon 3 pills a day would be like 5 weeks. Isnt that too long? I have read guys complaining about there joints after 4 weeks.

I'm not saying dont take it, cos i would like to at some stage. But it just seems crazy to do it half-arsed without knowing the risks.

I find it scary that you can just buy this without getting informed about the risks. Am i right in my concerns? Or am i just being overly worried.

I have read many conflicting things about winstrol. From your experiences, Why take it? How? and when? Any info will be great. Like i said i have been searching the site and have pieced things together here and there, but i just need to confirm my findings.

A: He can take it alone, I don't see the point. He won't be able to use it long enough to see results only due to the fact that it's extremely harsh on the body. I feel that it is a complete waste of time, he is going to shut his body down with no results.

B: It is not a bulking agent so no that would not be a smart idea.

C: Pill format is fine and is the same as the injectable, you do get 50mg pills, you will need 50mg for this to be effective in anyway, I have no idea how many mg each pill/cap is. I am guessing 10mg as this is a normal standard.

He needs to take liver support, no two ways about that.

E: 5 weeks is too long, 3 weeks is a max I would recommend somebody to use winstrol for.

If he is under 18 I will remove this post and lock the topic.

Winstrol does have its place, but it's a special place and used by more advance athletes for that hard/dry look that DHT gives one. Tell him to take testosterone, nothing will make you as big as testosterone.

I have no idea the pill size, as i don't know where or whom he bought it from. Someone in college probably.

He's 22.I am actually gonna tell him to take nothing. Taking test means being responsible with PCT's etc. Which i somehow don't think he is. If he really wants to continue then is milk thistle enough for liver support?

Taking that stuff seems nuts, unless as you say he is a serious athlete. Which he isnt. He is just crap skinny and looking to put on muscle. I think he just needs to gym and eat right.

Thanks for help anyway pump.

Apparently that mg for mg winstrol (oral) is more liver toxic than any other oral on the market including anadrol and dianabol.You'll will need to take some liver support stuff.He is an idiot if he want to take 1 pill a day of winstrol. He needs 5* 10 mg pills per day to see results .

Walnut wrote: I have no idea the pill size, as i don't know where or whom he bought it from. Someone in college probably.

He's 22.I am actually gonna tell him to take nothing. Taking test means being responsible with PCT's etc. Which i somehow don't think he is. If he really wants to continue then is milk thistle enough for liver support?

Taking that stuff seems nuts, unless as you say he is a serious athlete. Which he isnt. He is just crap skinny and looking to put on muscle. I think he just needs to gym and eat right.

Thanks for help anyway pump.

First of all, 22 is a bit young to consider AAS, in my humble opinion. Second of all, whether he does winnie, test or even a mild AAS agent such as anavar, he will need to do pct. Thirdly, steroids is no miracle drug, ive gained more using USN muscle fuel and monohydrate over 12 weeks that i did on some steroid cycles, purely because i ran those cycles with a shit diet and training program and had no clue on things like pct etc.

In my opinion, the best advise you can give you buddy is that he doesnt consider steroids at this time and rather spend the money on some good food, protein, creatine and other supps which will have great results if used in conjunction to a solid diet and training program

Your buddy should be considered lucky to have a friend like you who seems keen on talking some sense into his head and also taking the time to ask some questions to help him achieve his goals.
GSP

GSP wrote:

Walnut wrote: I have no idea the pill size, as i don't know where or whom he bought it from. Someone in college probably.

He's 22.I am actually gonna tell him to take nothing. Taking test means being responsible with PCT's etc. Which i somehow don't think he is. If he really wants to continue then is milk thistle enough for liver support?

Taking that stuff seems nuts, unless as you say he is a serious athlete. Which he isnt. He is just crap skinny and looking to put on muscle. I think he just needs to gym and eat right.

Thanks for help anyway pump.

First of all, 22 is a bit young to consider AAS, in my humble opinion. Second of all, whether he does winnie, test or even a mild AAS agent such as anavar, he will need to do pct. Thirdly, steroids is no miracle drug, ive gained more using USN muscle fuel and monohydrate over 12 weeks that i did on some steroid cycles, purely because i ran those cycles with a shit diet and training program and had no clue on things like pct etc.

In my opinion, the best advise you can give you buddy is that he doesnt consider steroids at this time and rather spend the money on some good food, protein, creatine and other supps which will have great results if used in conjunction to a solid diet and training program

Your buddy should be considered lucky to have a friend like you who seems keen on talking some sense into his head and also taking the time to ask some questions to help him achieve his goals.
GSP

this pisses me off a little. I shit my pants at the thought of what this does to you. I understand why you take it, but not without serious in depth research. But this retard and his mates just wanna pop pills for quick results.

they still club and drink which it utter madness. Its not just him tho. There are loads of guys that do it. And what annoys me the most is that okes sell to them, when they can see they cluless. Then these dorks hang around at my gym and chat when i actually want to use the machines, just to show off. Meanwhile there bodies must be totally f#cked from roids and clubbing.

anyway whatever. life goes on. Sorry for rant. Its just its my best mans bro.... Cant just stand back and do nothing.

GSP wrote:

Walnut wrote: I have no idea the pill size, as i don't know where or whom he bought it from. Someone in college probably.

He's 22.I am actually gonna tell him to take nothing. Taking test means being responsible with PCT's etc. Which i somehow don't think he is. If he really wants to continue then is milk thistle enough for liver support?

Taking that stuff seems nuts, unless as you say he is a serious athlete. Which he isnt. He is just crap skinny and looking to put on muscle. I think he just needs to gym and eat right.

Thanks for help anyway pump.

First of all, 22 is a bit young to consider AAS, in my humble opinion. Second of all, whether he does winnie, test or even a mild AAS agent such as anavar, he will need to do pct. Thirdly, steroids is no miracle drug, ive gained more using USN muscle fuel and monohydrate over 12 weeks that i did on some steroid cycles, purely because i ran those cycles with a shit diet and training program and had no clue on things like pct etc.

In my opinion, the best advise you can give you buddy is that he doesnt consider steroids at this time and rather spend the money on some good food, protein, creatine and other supps which will have great results if used in conjunction to a solid diet and training program

Your buddy should be considered lucky to have a friend like you who seems keen on talking some sense into his head and also taking the time to ask some questions to help him achieve his goals.
GSP

Oh and shot for advice

GSP is correct, PCT is essential regardless of what he is taking even proviron is suppressive.

Tell him in all honestly he not 'mature' enough to take steroids and he needs to catch a wake up. All he is doing is asking for trouble the way he is living his life.

tell him .. do it properly .. the research ( do reserch and when u think u know whats going on ... do some more research) i have no room to talk as im 22 years old and have done 5 courses already but i made sure i had the correct info and made sure i did it right .. listen to these guys they know their gear and everything to do about it ...

Zimbulk88 wrote: tell him .. do it properly .. the research ( do reserch and when u think u know whats going on ... do some more research) i have no room to talk as im 22 years old and have done 5 courses already but i made sure i had the correct info and made sure i did it right .. listen to these guys they know their gear and everything to do about it ...

No disrespect made to your age bud.

Key word was research. I wouldnt be chatting on a steroid forum if i wasnt interested. But i need to be ready, physically and mentally. He unfortunately isnt. His goal is chicks - fine, but his life style is far from healthy.

i see him tonight and will let him know what you okes have said. If he doesnt believe me he can read it off website himself. Otherwise sometimes you gotta make the mistake yourself before you learn. could be a tough lesson.

best thing to do is tell him and advise him its for his well being .. steroids are not to be played with as any other drug as they have serious long term issues as im sure we all know. Guys who want the short cut are the guys who over indulge in juice and they are the ones who pack out from heart attacks etc... I have had mates who dont do it properly and its really ugly ( infections from injections , no pcting and getting gyno, losing more weight than he put one ) its a waste of time if its not done right .. he may as well wipe his ass with the money than spend it on gear if its not done right ... its good u looking out for him and i hope u convince him otherwise ..

Zimbulk88 wrote: best thing to do is tell him and advise him its for his well being .. steroids are not to be played with as any other drug as they have serious long term issues as im sure we all know. Guys who want the short cut are the guys who over indulge in juice and they are the ones who pack out from heart attacks etc... I have had mates who dont do it properly and its really ugly ( infections from injections , no pcting and getting gyno, losing more weight than he put one ) its a waste of time if its not done right .. he may as well wipe his ass with the money than spend it on gear if its not done right ... its good u looking out for him and i hope u convince him otherwise ..

shot bud. Thats scary stuff. Just what i need. Scare the shit outta him.

Still being new to all your terminology sometimes you okes sound like freaking Doctors or scientists I'll get used to it tho. Eventually..... Gonna go google gyno now

its bitch tits .. its when u grow boobies ... im still fazed by some of the terminology but everyone has to start somewhere ..

Very uncool. Sheesh.

so after we chatted to him he gave us them (we might have over exaggerated how dangerous they were )but now i have 100 capsules of winny.

No idea what to do with them...... but i dont want to take them.

Walnut wrote: so after we chatted to him he gave us them (we might have over exaggerated how dangerous they were )but now i have 100 capsules of winny.

No idea what to do with them...... but i dont want to take them.

Send them to me!

Fakey_AK wrote:

Walnut wrote: so after we chatted to him he gave us them (we might have over exaggerated how dangerous they were )but now i have 100 capsules of winny.

No idea what to do with them...... but i dont want to take them.

Send them to me!

Really?

yeah really, ask admin if he doesn't mind.

00pump if this is stepping over lines plz let know

Fakey_AK wrote: yeah really, ask admin if he doesn't mind.

00pump if this is stepping over lines plz let know

Ok. Pump?

I would mail admin@ and ask him.

00pump wrote: I would mail admin@ and ask him.

Done

@ Fakey_AK

Little too risky bud... sorry mate

Swollow the lot on your next cycle!

jackrabbit1 wrote: Swollow the lot on your next cycle!

I'll be sure to make sure i'm on the liver transplant waiting list first.....

You wont need one.... who told you that? Use responsibly and you will be ok.
Cholesterol medication is harder on the liver.