Testosterone Cypionate vs Testosterone Enanthate

  • Netro
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12 Jul 2008 16:45 #4958 by Netro
Hi Guys,
Sitting here on a cold winter’s day and decided to write this article to make my day feel more constructive and clear up some questions around these two compounds. Another reason is that I have been getting allot of requests about Cypionate and due to raw material shortage the compound is either not available or the price has been increased to drastically it's actually quite ridiculous. This leads to guys either paying stupid prices for compounds that are most likely under dosed or not including test in cycles that should have and thus encountering sides from other compounds testosterone can counter balance. A prime example is your basic mass cycle and as we all know it's winter and mass cycles are the general norm amongst us in the colder months, unless of course you are preparing for a comp, which most guys are not. Right, basic mass cycle consists out of the following compounds, Dianabol, Nandralone (Deca) and a testosterone. Since Deca has a long ester attached, it would make sense to have the other injectable compound as a long ester as well, thus we have everybody’s favorite, Depotrone. Depotrone is the most popular brand name for testosterone cypionate, reason is or was actually, availability and price. As you can seen I used a past tense in the previous sentence and, yes, you guessed it, Depotrone has been discontinued due to the manufacturer sourcing a new raw material provider and as far as word goes, it will only be available 1st quarter 2009. So, we have a gap, what now you ask! Well, there are some UG labs that manufacture their own flavor of testosterone cypionate, but, as mentioned before, raw material is a problem and there is a general shortage out their. So, now you ask, what does this have to do with guys not using test in cycles? Thing is, allot of guys out there swear by Depotrone or the cypionate ester when doing the before mentioned cycle. This leaves them at wits end and thus they drop the test completely and just do a less favorable Dianabol / Deca cycle or, they stack the two with a short ester test and still try and stick to the same injection protocol. Effects are therefore not as expected and all of a sudden compounds or brands are responsible and the bad rumors begin focused mainly on brands etc. This, unfortunately is just due to lack ok knowledge and lack understanding as to how and what compounds do and correct administration of these.

So, enough rambling about mass cycles and brands who have developed bad reps, now the geek stuff comes and lets see if I can fill the Cypionate gap that many think there is. Cypionates molecular structure is as follows and trying to keep this as non-geeky as possible with layman’s terms where I can. Cypionate has 8 carbon atoms and the remainder being identical to Enanthate. Enanthate has 7 carbon atoms, thus only 1 carbon atom difference. How does this affect the user, well, to be quite honest, it doesn't. Yes, you heard correct, for 9 out of 10 guys, they will not know if you give them cypionate or enanthate, even the sides are the same. For all intense purposes of the article there is a slight difference that needs mentioning. Cypionate has a little slower release due to it being 1 carbon atom heavier than Enanthate, but again, nothing noticeable. We are not comparing a short ester like Suspension to a long ester like Cypionate or Enanthate.

Now we have concluded Cypionate has 1 more carbon atom and the release is a little slower due to the extra weight, what remains is how much of the good stuff, Testosterone, is left once your body metabolizes the ester. Cypionates ester weight is 30mg per 100mg of anabolic steroid. Enanthate's ester weight is 28mg per 100mg of anabolic steroid. So, we are left with the following amounts of testosterone once esters are gone. Cypionate = 70mg of testosterone per 100mg of anabolic steroid, Enanthate = 72mg of testosterone per 100mg of anabolic steroid. Clearly you can see you would get more testosterone per mg from Enanthate than you would Cypionate, great you say, but the reality is I have used 100mg to simplify things and if you calculate this back to average doses you will see the benefits are minimal and would not be seen or felt unless you were using exuberant doses of these substances. What I am trying to get at here is that the gap most people see cypionate unavailability has created, is actually no gap at all, just a hype created. The only draw back no cypionate has created is price, Depotrone was really cheap when it was flowing like water. Enanthate is a little more expensive, but not totally out of whack and maybe the above will convince you to rather pay a few rand more than leave compounds out of cycles as there are suitable replacements out there that are as good or maybe even better.

Let me know what you lads think and if you want more of these and I will post them periodically.

My next installment will be why certain compounds are more synergistic and stack better than others.

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12 Jul 2008 19:25 #4961 by vega5
I think it all comes down to what works best for you. I prefer cyp because I have less water retension and as a bonus it doesn't hurt as much as testen when you inject it. And another hint whenever you can get cheap AAS that's the real deal buy alot so you don't sit with the problem of shortages and other stuff.

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