HMT H.O.T

hey guys

been lurking in this forum for a long time now. thanks to all of you for putting the time and effort into all the advice and info you give.
looking forward to interacting with everyone here.

i have done a OT/Anavar cycle. loved it. eased my way nicely into the world of steroids. (dont shoot me down with regards to not using test. it was more of an experiment than anything else.)


MY QUESTION:
Anyone done a HOT cycle? i know its not an actual AAS, but i have heard that gains can be made from it? obviously its for the people who want to stay on the slightly cleaner side of the spectrum.

Any thoughts and opinions?

Once again, I am amped to be here. Many thanks in advance.

I stand corrected but I think HOT is used for a "PCT" for a S-Drol cycle

correct.

but many people apparently have used HOT by itself. (obtaining gains from it)

since its a South African product, not many people have posted HOT "only" courses.

What would your reasons be to use HOT over say a Drol cycle and also over a real AAS like Tbol and Var since you have already taken the steroid route.

Absolutely no offense meant here, but going from a Var cycle to a HOT cycle seems a bit backwards.

My man to be honest you will get better gains putting that money to use on LSJ'S site, Not anything special in the slightest.

Cleaner side of the spectrum? Define clean those Pro-Hormone underground companies etc's orals are not great for your system in anyway.

Cleaner would be a short test prop cycle with a decent pct or a medium length Test E cycle with a bit of prop at the front and a good Pct. Dont get frightened or scared of the real deal or needle time, when its all done correctly its safer than popping loads of "barely legal" and rather useless pills.

Peace

Hey bud, welcome....
I've also read that it can give some gains...
But I think these might even be less than a Clomid or Letro only cycle will give you, mainly by suppressing estrogen. (Less water retention...)

Do you mind if I ask you to elaborate on the Var/TBol cycle?
Dosages, gains, pct?

I agree with you BB guy. Honestly, i was wanting to try out HOT. but thinking about it, i already have taken the dip. haha.

Mr Moose, I'm not scared of needles at all. Trust me. I'm in the process of compiling a EQ and Test cyp cycle. Been planning it for over a month now. reading reading reading. I wont jump into it till i get the final crit and advice from the vets. But i most definately get wat you are saying with regard to Test prop and test e. I have most definately thought about it, and will be doing a long estered course soon.

N3rd. My var/OT cycle was around 8 weeks long. 40mg of each per day. pct was straight forward Kessar at 40/20/20/20 per week. (retaining the muscle gained.)

GAINS: around 3-4kg, lost a little bf. (which I dont think is bad for OT/var IMHO) and i was training and dieting to put on mass.
vascularity picked up, and a very nice muscle hardness.

Var and OT were LP products. (BRILLIANT products)

My training and diet are on par. (not blowing my horn) but i am VERY proud of my knowledge in the world of gyming/training, etc.

im 21, been training LITERALLY my whole life. Been in a gym for as long as I can remember. My family is a gym family. all go to the gym at the same time, etc. hehe. brought up being taught everything about training, and reading everything i can. (constantly on sites, and reading books.)

For future reference, my stats are:
21 y/o
92kg
13-15%bf
1.93m/1.94m tall

This thread was created for myself (and many others) to learn about the potential gains from H.O.T.

Thanks again for replies.

I have taken H.O.T biggest waist of money in the world...Might as well take tablets with pure air in them and u might get a better effect than the HOT. lol They on par with nomad and Taurus gear lol

Man at our age, we can stay natural and still grow quite a bit. I vote get a GOOD diet and start training hard. I've gained more size in the past 2 months eating right than I did in the whole of last year. I'm 1.8m tall sitting at 94kg and until 3 weeks ago (injury) 14% bf Last year Nov I was 87kg. Spend less time reading and more time cooking/getting your diet right

I do plan to take Arimidex and heat to cut during winter.
Perhaps include some ZMA with your vitamins?

MikeM wrote:

Man at our age, we can stay natural and still grow quite a bit. I vote get a GOOD diet and start training hard. I've gained more size in the past 2 months eating right than I did in the whole of last year. I'm 1.8m tall sitting at 94kg and until 3 weeks ago (injury) 14% bf Last year Nov I was 87kg. Spend less time reading and more time cooking/getting your diet right

I do plan to take Arimidex and heat to cut during winter.
Perhaps include some ZMA with your vitamins?

Nice comment and thats what i like to hear. karma +1

MikeM wrote:

Man at our age, we can stay natural and still grow quite a bit. I vote get a GOOD diet and start training hard. I've gained more size in the past 2 months eating right than I did in the whole of last year. I'm 1.8m tall sitting at 94kg and until 3 weeks ago (injury) 14% bf Last year Nov I was 87kg. Spend less time reading and more time cooking/getting your diet right

I do plan to take Arimidex and heat to cut during winter.
Perhaps include some ZMA with your vitamins?

Great advice! +2

But why you wanna use adex to cut?

Its just temp water loss isnt it - are you refering to itsd estrogen properties?

Thanks

Arimidex purely for the slight test boost and estrogen properties yea. Thanks again.

i totally agree with you mike. but my diet is most definately on par. i eat according to my blood type. keep the cals up, etc. i only used OT and Var to give that little extra edge. (and to see how it worked.)

On the dieting thing, i did 3-4 years of trial and error of foods, and how i reacted to them. cutting out the foods that had a negative effect on me. pretty much a process of elimination. Now i stick to the foods that are good to me.

I have done the ZMA thing. will be buying some soon. I used GNC products a few months ago. amazing stuff. it has to be amazing, since GNC products are made by Optimum Nutrition, and sold at half the price. pity we cant get it here. but then again, ZMA is ZMA, Whey is Whey.

In my opinin the blood group diet is a crock of sh1t, but if its working for you then stick to it. I cant see how the various types of antigens you express on your blood cells will influence how you metabolize food, but like I said if it works for you then thats great

I still think you should get your diet correct dude. Get that bf closer to 10% and work from there. You might have found out what works for you and what doesn't but by the seems of it it's still not just right I'm carrying some fat but like I said, I only got serious in Novembere and I've been bulking since. Been gaining weight and losing some fat.

Will have to google GNC - never heard about them. But buddy check out www.basicsupplements.co.za/ and save some cash. I use half of their whey to half a flavoured whey - nice and cheap I also take his amino stack (I like love amino tabs. Not sure why but I feel they keep me from my muscles getting too stiff)) and waxy maize, and his ZMA, and soon his dextrose.

i agree with you beesting. many of us have survived this far in life, without eating to our blood type. but as you said, its working for me.

Mike, GNC is like the "dischem" of America. But its dischem on roids. go to gnc.com. you will shed a tear. they have such a huge variety, and the GNC brands are amazing. (and again, i speak from personal experience.) i remember getting BCAA caps, ZMA tabs, L-glut caps, and lipo6 black, all for R800. (3 months ago) they have insane specials all the time. my buddy went to a New York GNC at around 9pm, and it was packed with people buying supps.

is basicsupplements any good? i dont want to deter too much from this thread, but i think its gone too far now! haha!

loved EAS whey aswell. worked really well for me. but hit my wallet hard.

Man it's basically raw stuff. It's cheap enough to check out, and the owner is on the forum - LSJ. AWESOME dude to deal with, freaking fantastic service. I rate contact him and try it out.

awesome. thanks man. always looking for good prices.

i like how the logos of basicsupp and this site are similar.

the products are really great, you wont regret getting them for sure, and the money u save you can put into good quality food

SNOK1986 wrote:

I have taken H.O.T biggest waist of money in the world...Might as well take tablets with pure air in them and u might get a better effect than the HOT. lol They on par with nomad and Taurus gear lol

2 true- Karma for the snorker! sick of people waisting their money on this UG pro hormone/ re-cut Anadrol jut!

Constant Anabolism- As for the basic sups, AS I SAID> rather put your money to use their. And if you are compiling such an awsum mix of 2 compounds for a long cycle then why would you consider playing around with these funny things? Let us rather help you with that cycle etc?

Peace

haha Moose. I am compiling the course at the moment. just trying to think it through properly. but i most definately will post the cycle and get ur guys and girls opinions on it. (obviously on a new thread)

on my OT and Anavar course, i just ate right.

I wanted opinions on HOT. (which i now have)

with the EQ and test cyp course, i wanna eat, and use supps. looking for leaner gains. so it will be a clean diet. EQ is the appetite increaser, which i love. I eat every 2 hours anyway. but im looking forward to every hour.

thanks for the reply.

@ moose thanks dude...

There is no such thing as eating for your blood group. But if you have a good diet then that's the first step. You mind to share with us your exact daily diet?

Hi there. I'm new in this game and don't want to end up with the wrong crap. I'm sitting with a bottle of HOT from HMT but not sure if this is the right way to go. Could somebody give me some help and advise where to get the real deal and the proper way to use this?I wanna build lean muscle and keep my body fat low. I've lost lots of weight in a short bit but struggling to pick up proper muscle weight.