too early for gear but i dont care

i posted a while back and everyone gave me a lecture on how i am wasting my time well ive decided im going to go through with it in anyway. my stats are im 24 years old aproc 71kgs bout 14-16% body fat aprox 170cm what im asking is what would be the best course to atempt for a begginer i was advised to just do a winstrol cycle then i was told a winstrol deca course i want to grow as much as i can on this course with the least amount of harmfull side effects plus i want to keep the most amount of wait possible since this course will be once off please can some one advise me on a course that would be closest to what im looking for please help and dont try judge or change my mind

well in that case, if you are going to do it anyway, i would run a low dose of test with a front oad of dbol.

test not more than 500mg a week mondays and thursdays for 8-10 weeks.

dbol first 3-4weeks max at 30mg per day

remember pct

Rude1 wrote:

i posted a while back and everyone gave me a lecture on how i am wasting my time well ive decided im going to go through with it in anyway. my stats are im 24 years old aproc 71kgs bout 14-16% body fat aprox 170cm what im asking is what would be the best course to atempt for a begginer i was advised to just do a winstrol cycle then i was told a winstrol deca course i want to grow as much as i can on this course with the least amount of harmfull side effects plus i want to keep the most amount of wait possible since this course will be once off please can some one advise me on a course that would be closest to what im looking for please help and dont try judge or change my mind

Body-fat % is too high. You are just gonna get fatter.

24 isn't such a terrible age to start.

However the cycle choice is-who advised you to do a winny only cycle? Or even a winny deca cycle?
The basis of any cycle needs to be testosterone.

THe best cycle for you wouold be a 12 week course of test enth/cyp with maybe a frontload of either dbol or something milder such as tbol.
For gaining size the best you can do is

Weeks 1-12 Test enth 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg per day or tbol at 60mg per day-I would go with the tbol as your bodyfat is tending towards the high side and dbol has a lot of aromatisation which can increase bodyfat and retain water. Tbol has virtually no aromatisation and no water retention.
Adex at 0.5mg per day as anti e
HCG weeks 5-7 at 1,000iu per week (split across 3 injections)

PCT:
Weeks 13-15 HCG 1,000iu per week (split across three injections)
Weeks 14-18 Nolvadex 40mg per day

Make sure you're getting plenty of EFA's and vit c throughout cycle and esp in pct.

THe final thing that will make or break the cycle is diet-if your diet is not on you will be wasting your time. You need to be getting 350g protein per day minimum. Keep carbs low, only pre and post workout otherwise you will gain fat. Look into the keto diet to mainain muscle and strip bodyfat. Otherwise you'll gain size, but bodyfat along with it.

Before starting make sure you have all the elements in place and understand each of the drugs and what they do. And make sure you're diet is spot on. Contact DJ for a custom diet-this is the most important thing to a cycle.

Good luck

thanks for the advice sounds good to me im not saying thins are too early age wise im talking about the training ive done till now its been a bit on and off due to cash flow but im going to do a solid 6 months natural training before the course.so you say i must lay low on the carbs does that mean i should be using whey shakes instead of mass gainers?? and if you could can you give me a rough estimate of how much the gear, adex ,hcg and nolvadex will cost all together?

Can't talk prices in open forum

You should be avoiding mass gainers and just using whey protein. Limit carbs to pre and post workout.

I was under the impression it was an age thing, not training experience. I wouldn't suggest trying a cycle until you have a solid year under your belt. At 24 you have enough testosterone to get decent gains with a solid diet. AAS are when you have reached your genetic potential-not a quick fix.

i never suggest mass gainers..they are the cheapest of the cheapest crap fulled with sugar.... u can have that post work out but even thats a push...get hold of whey protein,adjust your macro's and get your bf down before starting a cycle...

if u want a custom diet where i take out all the guess work u can email me and i will do all that for u... but i do charge

as per rules of the forum we cant discuss prices etc... u need to get hold of your supplier and ask him all those questions...

Rude: Go for a 8week Test n Deca cycle, no orals add in some winstrol if u want
keep the dose low, max 500mg/week

Eat clean, dont worry about bulking
you will lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, creating an over-all effect in the end that not even 15years of natural training will do for you
there is no such thing as a once off cycle though
now go for it, get hungry and unleash yourself!

BBG = Big Bald Guy? I think I need this name...LOL!

yes i am getting bald because of my past extensive T - DHT - and GH (yes GH was the main cause for losing hair) use over the years, but thats not what the abbreviation means.

btw there are cures for baldness for people below 30. its just anti-bb so i dont recommend it

just messing around guy...I have always had a "big forehead" am 35 now...hence I shave my kop once a week...thank god I have a well proportioned shaped head...

welcome to the club

BBG = Body Building Guru, Big Black Guy, Big Black Gay
:laugh:,

was speaking to a friend the other day and he mentioned something called tridenosen i did a big of research on the net couldnt find much some people were going nuts about it saying they had 15kg gain over 3 months while burning fat other were saying its nothing but a rubbish supplement was wondering if anyone could let me know a little bit more about it??

Not worth the money. Rather use gear.

i can udestand that gear will probably give way better gains but being at the level i am i was thinking it would kinda be perfect.plus if i can use it year round ill never realy loose any of my gains since i dont want to use gear forever i just want a quick boost.can someone just tell me if im going to get decent gain on it or not or is it just a small supplement that will show the tinyest of change??

I think Admin and Netro have used it in the past. They can give you more info on the matter.

A test only cycle 200mg to 500mg will be your first cycle if you choose to cycle. You can get estrogen or DHT control on hand but don't use them unless you experience side effects. The point of this is to learn how your body reacts to test because as was said above there is no such thing as a once off cycle.

Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices

Good luck bro

very good advice right above

ABC01 wrote:

Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices

Good luck bro

250mgs a week?? What was ur weight before and after cycle which pct did u use?

ABC01 wrote:

Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices

Good luck bro

I'm really glad to see it worked out bro. Like I keep saying so many of us keep forgetting how hardcore that first cycle is.
Isn't it amazing how the guys that actually take in our advice walk away with the results.

For your next cycle you can play around with increasing dosages or stacking in compounds depending on your goals. But never stop listening to your body. When side effects come in to play down the line you will will be able to pin down exactly what's causing it.

Dukkes wrote:

ABC01 wrote:

Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices

Good luck bro

250mgs a week?? What was ur weight before and after cycle which pct did u use?

My weight before was 74/75kg and bf about 15/16%. 10 weeks into my 12 week cycle im at 81kg and 11.5/12% bf. I follow a diet from the squirrel man and it helps alot. I have to add that muscle building is not my main objective because im into endurence sports. My initial aproach was to use it for recovery purposes mainly. I only do weight training 2x per week,the other days im doing other stuff. Since seeing how my body reacts my goals changed a bit to be honest. Im more focused on overall fitness and enjoy the muscle building properties that comes with it. I might bump up my weight training to 3 x per week but am afraid of gaining to much weight. For my next cycle im tossing in equi to the mix and trying super test. Cant wait. My PCT at the end of this cycle will be HCG at 500mg EOD for 2 weeks with kesser at 20mg per day for 4 weeks. I reckon that should be sufficient (i hope).

ABC01 wrote:

Take the advice and go for a test only cycle for ur 1st one. When i joined i was adament doing a deca cycle because that was what i heard about. Took these guys' advice and did a very low test en cycle (250mg/week) to see how my body reacts. Im 10 weeks in now and get pretty decent results at that low dosage. Im gaining weight and loosing bf. Now that i know how my body reacts i will add something with the test in my next cycle.
So point being is to start conservative, familiarise yourself with the substances. Read as much as you can and you will end up saving alot of money because of correct/educated choices

Good luck bro

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Agreed, very good advice, well done.