any thoughts on this cycle: tren acetate, equipois

Hi,

Anybody have any thoughts on this cycle (I'll also be using anti-estrogens and an oral):

Trenbolone acetate, ED, not sure yet for how long, probably 80mgED
Equipoise, once a week, 700mg
Test propionate, EOD, 3 weeks (after 3 weeks the test cypionate will start to kick in nicely)
Test cypionate (1000mg per week)
Oral: not sure what to use yet. Any suggestions?

Thinking of doing this for 3 months. I'll use everything mentioned above from day one. Will stop the propionate after 3 weeks. I've never used trenbolone yet, so pretty excited to see what it will do with the equipoise. Don't know what oral to do. Should I use one?

My aim for this cycle is to bulk, but also to make big strength gains. Any thoughts and suggestions will be appreciated. Currently weighing 119kg, been juicing since 1998. I'LL try to get to 130 - 135kg with this cycle. I've done much more hectic cycles than this, also I don't really lose a lot of bw when I go off. I guess my system just recovers really fast.

cheers
b

Howzit Bernie

What about post cycle therapy? to restore natural test levels when u finished the cycle.

bernie wrote:

Hi,

took a hiatus from training after my disastrous powerlifting competition. Competed while I had a cold. Did not go well.

Anybody have any thoughts on this cycle (I'll also be using anti-estrogens and an oral):

Trenbolone acetate, ED, not sure yet for how long, probably 80mgED
Equipoise, once a week, 700mg
Test propionate, EOD, 3 weeks (after 3 weeks the test cypionate will start to kick in nicely)
Test cypionate (1000mg per week)
Oral: not sure what to use yet. Any suggestions?

Thinking of doing this for 3 months. I'll use everything mentioned above from day one. Will stop the propionate after 3 weeks. I've never used trenbolone yet, so pretty excited to see what it will do with the equipoise. Don't know what oral to do. Should I use one?

My aim for this cycle is to bulk, but also to make big strength gains. Any thoughts and suggestions will be appreciated. Currently weighing 119kg, been juicing since 1998. I'LL try to get to 130 - 135kg with this cycle. I've done much more hectic cycles than this, also I don't really lose a lot of bw when I go off. I guess my system just recovers really fast.

cheers
b

I'd split the pinning of the test cyp and EQ to twice per week to keep stable blood levels.
You can't do tren for the full cycle-I'd do it for the last 8 weeks at 100mg EOD or 50mg ED.
I don't think you really need an oral, but you could run dbol for the first 4 weeks if you're looknig for mass. Then start the tren after this.
I'd add some hcg towards the end of the cycle then hit the nolva 2 weeks after last pin.

What happened at the powerlifting meet?

Eish, after all that last minute prep, really sorry the meet didn't go according to plan.

I really don't think you need an oral in that, see no point for it with the prop.

If you've done heavier cycles you'll know if you need an A.I. but I would definately add in a 5-AR inhibitor and HCG both on cycle and in PCT.

Are you running this cycle back to back with the last or doing a PCT in between like SNOK asked?

Thanks for the replies guys.

I'm currently doing PCT. Wanna start next cycle in feb.

I'm gonna do an A.I. anyway. I've never gotten gyno before, with or without A.I., but then again, the cycle I'm planning is new to me. So, just to be on the safe side.

I'm not a fan of orals, so I'm probably just gonna stick with the stuff I mentioned. Also, never before used HCG. But I might get it this time. Like I said, my system jumps back to normal pretty fast after a cycle and I don't lose a lot of mass. But yeah, I might need to start considering the old nutsack. I'm not a teen anymore.

Hey Yohimbe, I like your thinking. If I start the tren during the last 8 weeks, then the equipoise and the tren should start working at the same time. Together with the cypionate. Bam!!!

Saw Avatar tonight. Cool movie! (sorry for going off-topic)

cheers
b

I dont know how much Tren you have used in the past and for how long but imo 560mg/week is alot.But then I see you're a big guy so... HCG will be imprtant in this cycle.

Well if u do go on a oral than i think the old school dbol will be fine and you going on an A.I which will help combat the water part... although u doing test prop which shud act pretty quick.

And thats one heavy cycle - PCT is gonna have to be 100%

bernie wrote:

Saw Avatar tonight. Cool movie! (sorry for going off-topic)

cheers
b

Also saw it-excellent, well worth watching.

Hi,

this pregnyl... what does it look like? I mean, when one receives it, is it a fluid or a powder that needs to be reconstituted? Does it need to be refrigerated?

Never used it before, but I'm gonna take it this time as part of my PCT. You guys convinced me. Some of the muscleheads at the gym also warned me about the sides of tren and the PCT needed. But all of them said that the potential sides are worth the benefit! Sweet!

Merry Christmas to all that celebrates it here. Hope I did not cause offence.

b

Hi BB_guy,

never used tren before, so this time will be my first. Will keep you all posted when it starts! Very excited.

The first time I used Equipoise was amazing. All the things that were said about it was true and even more. The strength gains were amazing as were the size gains.

So, my upcoming cycle will inlude equi and tren.

Hey, this friend of mine (R.I.P.) said that in the past just after he injected tren, his lungs felt like they went into an asthmatic fit or something. Was he full of shit or can this be true?

b

bernie wrote:

Hi BB_guy,

never used tren before, so this time will be my first. Will keep you all posted when it starts! Very excited.

The first time I used Equipoise was amazing. All the things that were said about it was true and even more. The strength gains were amazing as were the size gains.

So, my upcoming cycle will inlude equi and tren.

Hey, this friend of mine (R.I.P.) said that in the past just after he injected tren, his lungs felt like they went into an asthmatic fit or something. Was he full of shit or can this be true?

b

Its known as a tren cough and it can be quite debilitating in some individuals and for that reason I use tren enanthate as there is almost no tren cough. This also depend from person to person as some get it that they sound like they're in the advanced stages of TB and others nothing.

So hold thumbs!

Hi,

yeah, heard about tren cough. But this guy used to talk lotsa shit, so I just wanted to check it out.

thanks
b

bernie wrote:

Hi,

this pregnyl... what does it look like? I mean, when one receives it, is it a fluid or a powder that needs to be reconstituted? Does it need to be refrigerated?

Comes as a powder that needs to be reconstituted. Keep in fridge at all times, especially after mixing as it will only last a few weeks after being reconstituted before noticably deteriorating.

Cool,

thanx Inja.

b

Hi Yohimbe,

As far as PCT is concerned for this cycle... in your opinion what is the best AI? I was thinking of proviron again. Used it in the past and have never gotten bitch tits. But this cycle will be new to me (never done tren before). You also said to add HCG towards the end of the cycle. Can u be more specific? How bout the last week? I've also never used HCG before.

Thanks.
Anybody else's opinions also welcome.

Proviron in PCT will hinder recovery. Prefer to just use HCG and tamoxifen in PCT. I run HCG through cycle at low dose, then start higher doses with tamoxifen while gear is clearing system, run the HCG a little longer and the tamoxifen longer than that by a few weeks. That's how I do it anyhow...

bernie wrote:

Hi Yohimbe,

As far as PCT is concerned for this cycle... in your opinion what is the best AI? I was thinking of proviron again. Used it in the past and have never gotten bitch tits. But this cycle will be new to me (never done tren before). You also said to add HCG towards the end of the cycle. Can u be more specific? How bout the last week? I've also never used HCG before.

Thanks.
Anybody else's opinions also welcome.

I use letro as an AI at 0.25-0.5mg EOD. Are you talking about proviron as an AI or for PCT? I wouldn't use it for pct-it's still a steroid and even though the suppression factor is small, there is still some sort of suppression, which is completely contrary to what you're trying to do in PCT.
As an AI, its very mild, so it comes down to how sensitive you are to estrogen effects. If you can manage to get away with proviron, then stick with it, but I would have letro on hand in case of any problems.
The other thing is the tren-this is a nor test which converts to a progestin which binds very strongly to the progesterone receptor. Generally, progesterone only becomes a problem in the prescence of estrogen, so if you control the estrogen the progesterone shouldn't be problem.
Winstrol is touted to have a binding affinity for the progesterone receptor, so this may be a good addition if you want to include an oral with the tren. There isn't any studies I can find that actually show it has a stronger binding affinity than progestin, but many guys swear by winstrol and progesterone gyno.
You can't run winny for much longer than 4-6 weeks because its hepatoxic, but if you're running the tren for 8 weeks you could throw in winny for the last 6 weeks of the tren. Just have to keep an eye on the joints.
A final thing to consider is that in prescence of estrogen and progesterone, as in the case of tren and test, prolactin levels can be increased. This can cause prolactin gyno. The control for prolactin gyno is bromocriptine, but you are starting to add a lot of drugs into the mix then.
Prolactin appears to become a problem in the prescence of both estrogen and progesterone, although not exclusively, but if estrogen is controlled with an anti e and progesterone is controlled with the winny, prolactin levels should be controlled and bromo unnecessary. But worth noting.

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As far as HCG goes there seems to be quite a few schools of thought on how to use it. Consensus is not to run too high doses for too longer periods of time as you can cause desensitization to LH.
My thoughts are to run it for 2-3 weeks mid cycle, say from week 4-week 7 at 500IU per week and then again from week 11-week 15 also at 500IU per week, so that would be three weeks post cycle, concurrent with nolva, and then continue nolva for 2-3 weeks after cessation of hcg. I would split the dose up three times per week.