Sample cycle for lean mass(beginner)

Hello

I am wondering if you could help me.
I noticed your sample cycle and im hoping you can give me a bit more advice on it.
Am I able to add Winstrol tabs to this cycle and if so how would you recommend I incorporate it?
Also what would the benefits be of taking proviron throughout the duration of the cycle?
Are there any tips you can give me on how,where, and what to inject with as I have never injected before. I am 5ft 11" and weigh 87kgs at 13% bodyfat. Would this cycle suit me? what sort of side effects can i expect and what sort of gains can i achieve? Will I keep my gains for a decent time after the course? Please give me any info you think may help me.

Regards
Jarrod :blush:

hey bro, nice intro
how long have you been training for now and how old are you?

Hey Bud.

Im 26 now,been traing consistantly for the past 5mnths. I did a 8week course of D-bol 2mnths back and picked up 4kgs. Am eating really well and training hard. Also went from 18% to 13% body fat in that time. Im looking for lean,hard gains and the sample cycle on here caught my attention.
Hoping to get some good advice as it seems everone I speak to has different ideas about what I should take.

i dont know dude,thats very short for equipoise, i would honestly consider running equi for 10 -15 weeks minimum to be honest, run it with test cyp from pgw, use 1.5mls cyp and 0.5mls equipoise monday and thursday for 10 weeks and see how u go from there,throw in proviron to keep some water down or 0.2mg letro every otherday..seems small but it can be brutal at keeping water down, use the dianabol to front load and use winstrol for 2 weeks after your last shot at 30mg a day and once thats finished u will be able to start your pct...

hold on u have only been training for 5 months and u have already taken juice? dude that stupid. u could do some decent things with diet alone in that time.

good advice dj

I would honestly tell you to maybe wait a while longer though, keep it consistent (training and diet) for a year and after that when you know you're body well enough try this cycle.

Thanks for the advice...I think Im definately going to listen to it. Would you guys recommend anything that would benefit me? Turanabol maybe?
Or should I just stick to what I can get on the shelf for now, like USN Nitrox,HGH and Gaktek?

Cheers

ummmm no juice as in no anabolics, just diet for now,get hold of lsj for the products,look for the whey protein concentrate thread in the dieting and contest prep section and then get hold of whey and waxy maise and dextrose from him and then u got a good base to start,have 6 meals a day and u will have some ground work done before u take any additional supplements...if u want a custom diet plan u can email me where i will tell u what to eat and how much of what to eat but i charge for those plans...

Ewok-ZN wrote:

Thanks for the advice...I think Im definately going to listen to it. Would you guys recommend anything that would benefit me? Turanabol maybe?
Or should I just stick to what I can get on the shelf for now, like USN Nitrox,HGH and Gaktek?

Cheers

Make jets of all your money notes, go stand on the pier and check which ones fly the furthest. You will get more joy out of that little adventure than buying USN products.

Are USN really that bad? I thought their Nitrox and Gaktek were good? Are there any supps out there that you can recommend? I know the Muscle tech stuff is highly rated but comes with a price!! Have you heard anything about the SSN Crea pump and Cytomaize?

:cheers well said North_boy

Diet and hardwork will give you more results than any sups, they don't do miracles they only help in some way.

Lay the foundations by getting your diet 100%, good training program then add some basics like glutamine, creatine, BCAAs, multivit. Research why you taking them and when and how. After that there is some other things you can try like ZMAs, Gaba etc. But stick to things that have sound research backing them.

When I got on this site I was a supp junkie, took everything that could even help a little bit but since I've been cutting down I've dropped a lot of sups and realized most of them were placebo effects and very few actually made a difference.

Knowledge makes you bigger.

the best for you is whey protein as they said..
otherwise no supplements are any good actually, except creatine, which is proven to work.. so get creatine and work on your diet.

Ewok-ZN wrote:

Are USN really that bad? I thought their Nitrox and Gaktek were good? Are there any supps out there that you can recommend? I know the Muscle tech stuff is highly rated but comes with a price!! Have you heard anything about the SSN Crea pump and Cytomaize?

I think USN and Nomad might be going into partnership... I mean worst gear + worst supplement you cant help but wonder

haha you might be right there hay..

I don't single out, they all bad to a certain extent.... They there to make money for that reason, they save on using inferior ingredients hide behind proprietary blends (add 0.00001 mg of creaine ethyl ester and you can say your product contains it) and use ridiculous marketing.

Then there's the issue of how much do certain things actually work. If a ingredient has been proven to increase your strength by 0.000001% is it worth spending hundreds of Rands on ? Don't trust anyone out to make a buck as they will leave out the details of a research result and just put on the front of the product, " Proven strength gains"....

This is why LSJ was prob my single best find, now I know how much and what I'm taking in and by constantly researching it I can tweak it for myself.

Get Dj to work out a diet for you, you'll be amazed at the results of a good diet.....

Thanks guys, appretiate all the feedback.

@ Ronnie. I have tried Creatine in the past but found it gave me too much water retension.
I believe this is typical of Creatine?

@ DJ. What do you charge for a diet plan?
I find Diet is the most difficult for me due to the work i do but also understand it is the most important thing when wanting to have the body you desire.

Im on a very good multi vit - Solgar v2000.
What other vits/BCCA's and Amino acids do u recommend?

yes creatine makes you retain water, your muscle is ±80% water. and creatine gives you more energy during workout, over and above what you have. it also help with your recovery.

Hey guys...another quick question.
My training partner who has ben training the same amount of time as me has also taken the same D-bol course as me has now started taking Winstrol tabs with Proviron and is using Heat at the same time....is this OK?? Apparently he is taking 3 Win tabs a day and 2 Proviron a day and is using Heat 2days on,1day off. He has been doing this for nearly a week now....Please advise if this is OK or not? Cheers

Ewok-ZN wrote:

Hey guys...another quick question.
My training partner who has ben training the same amount of time as me has also taken the same D-bol course as me has now started taking Winstrol tabs with Proviron and is using Heat at the same time....is this OK?? Apparently he is taking 3 Win tabs a day and 2 Proviron a day and is using Heat 2days on,1day off. He has been doing this for nearly a week now....Please advise if this is OK or not? Cheers

Its ok,although i dont believe in oral only cycles.The point of such a cycle is normally to get ripped and lean.He shouldnt use it for more than 6 weeks and he should take something to reduce toxicity on his liver.The HEAT should be 2 days on and 2 days off

North_Boy1 wrote:

Ewok-ZN wrote:

Thanks for the advice...I think Im definately going to listen to it. Would you guys recommend anything that would benefit me? Turanabol maybe?
Or should I just stick to what I can get on the shelf for now, like USN Nitrox,HGH and Gaktek?

Cheers

Make jets of all your money notes, go stand on the pier and check which ones fly the furthest. You will get more joy out of that little adventure than buying USN products.

YIP, Agree

you can rather spend the money on a good dieet, you will see more gains thru that than thru GAktec or Nitrox I used plenty with minimum results, All my visible gains were thru dieting and and Hard work.

Go well go Stock Standard

Ewok-ZN wrote:

Hey guys...another quick question.
My training partner who has ben training the same amount of time as me has also taken the same D-bol course as me has now started taking Winstrol tabs with Proviron and is using Heat at the same time....is this OK?? Apparently he is taking 3 Win tabs a day and 2 Proviron a day and is using Heat 2days on,1day off. He has been doing this for nearly a week now....Please advise if this is OK or not? Cheers

Tell him to join the forum so he can get the same good advice you got. Stop the gear and sort out diet and training. You both not ready for these chemicals, you need more experience under your belt.

Tell him to cut the winny and prov. Muti should only be used once your body plateaus, when you naturally cannot get any bigger or stronger. Muti will then take you to the next level, it is not magic in a bottle. Heat is a great product, i lost heaps of pudding last time i used it, but cycle 2 weeks on, two weeks off. Some guys alternate Heat and Clen, personally i didn't.