back pain

Right i have extended my cycle because i didnt want to get off it without HCG so until i am back in SA im on 800 mg of depo cyp(Phizer) .5 arimidex and 1 mg propecia daily. Last week i did some heavy deadlifts with a belt and everything and had no issues but then at night i started getting weird pain in the lower back. Ive been training very light now and the pain comes and goes. Could this possibly be a kidney pain? Im in Zambia at the moment and i dont trust docs here so dont wanna do any bloods till i get home. Arimidex should not be harsh on kidneys or liver and i dont think propecia is either. what you guys think?

Sounds like you've probably strained a muscle in your back, I doubt it's anything to do with your kidneys.
Have you tried any muscle relaxants-Diclofenac is very good and cheap if you get generic Panamor. That with a some ibuprofen should help if its a muscle strain. When I pinched a nerve in my neck and my shoulder kept going into spasm, they did wonders.

With test in your cycle it would most likely be a joint pain if you feel it deep in your lower back.Try to get some collagen tablets and take 3 at bed time..It always works for me.

I had a similar problem a while ago and ended up with a kidney infection.
The doc said i had put too much strain on my kidneys from training and between that and the AAS i was running,i had weakend them to a point where it was it was easy to get an infection.

Was out for roughly 3 weeks.

mark84 wrote:

I had a similar problem a while ago and ended up with a kidney infection.
The doc said i had put too much strain on my kidneys from training and between that and the AAS i was running,i had weakend them to a point where it was it was easy to get an infection.

Was out for roughly 3 weeks.

But now when you have a kidney infection how do you distinguish the pain difference between that and lower back. Is the pain there all the time or does it come when you move? Also was there a change in your urine colour?

The pain was initially in my lower back but then moved to front and felt like it shoyt through my groin and into my back. It hurt more when i moved but i could feel it was always there. Urine went bright orange/red and felt like razor blades.

mark84 wrote:

The pain was initially in my lower back but then moved to front and felt like it shoyt through my groin and into my back. It hurt more when i moved but i could feel it was always there. Urine went bright orange/red and felt like razor blades.

Ok judging by your symptoms i dont think i got a kideny infection cause i have no issues pissing and also my pain is not there all the time. its mostly when i try to bend over and pick up things or turn to sides and stuff like that

Same shit happened to me when i was squatting... i never felt the initial pain in the gym but later that night -_- was epic fail, i however took anti-inflamatories and well that wasnt smart, but dont stress about it its prob a muscle if it comes and goes and when u do certain movements, i recommend heat like one of those bean bag things and some voltaren gel if u can get it up there put it on like the whole day thats wht i did and it helped,

My 2 cents,

Why do u say that taking anti-inflams wasn't smart?

yea i was gonna ask the same thing but beesting beat me to it whats wrong with anti infs

Beesting wrote:

Why do u say that taking anti-inflams wasn't smart?

Why pain killers can stop muscle growth

Over-the-counter pain killers (such as ibuprofen) are a popular way to ease the pain and soreness that manifests itself 24-48 hours after a tough workout.

However, what most people don't realize is that high doses of these pain killers can "blunt" the normal rise in protein synthesis that occurs after exercise. In other words, while they can control the pain, regular use of these pain killers could put the brakes on muscle growth.

Protein synthesis is one important factor controlling the rate of muscle growth. In simple terms, your muscles grow larger when protein synthesis is greater than protein breakdown.

Think of your muscles like a bath. Water coming into the bath is known as protein synthesis. Water leaving the bath is known as protein breakdown. When there's more water coming into the bath than there is going out, you'll end up with bigger muscles.

One of the ways that pain killers such as ibuprofen work is to suppress the synthesis of substances known as prostaglandins. However, these very same prostaglandins also have a profound effect on muscle growth.

The extent to which the prolonged use of pain killers affects muscle growth over a period of several weeks or months is open to debate.

While the occasional use of pain killers isn't likely to cause a problem, they're certainly not something you should use too often.

If you do want to avoid feeling sore after exercise, the best way is simply to ease your way into a new training program gradually.

well i wouldnt know wht else to add into tiny's reply he got it spot on

Interesting. What about NSAIDs muscle relaxants?

got the same prob Lesa, not too sure what exactly the problem is but went to see the chiro last week and feel good as new
symptoms were the same as you'res, pain came and went, hurt like hell when I tried bending over and when sitting for long periods of time and I try stand up.
I think we really get bent outta shape with the kinda heavy intense training we do so we need to be but "back in place" every once in a while

tiny wrote:

Beesting wrote:

Why do u say that taking anti-inflams wasn't smart?

Why pain killers can stop muscle growth

Over-the-counter pain killers (such as ibuprofen) are a popular way to ease the pain and soreness that manifests itself 24-48 hours after a tough workout.

However, what most people don't realize is that high doses of these pain killers can "blunt" the normal rise in protein synthesis that occurs after exercise. In other words, while they can control the pain, regular use of these pain killers could put the brakes on muscle growth.

Protein synthesis is one important factor controlling the rate of muscle growth. In simple terms, your muscles grow larger when protein synthesis is greater than protein breakdown.

Think of your muscles like a bath. Water coming into the bath is known as protein synthesis. Water leaving the bath is known as protein breakdown. When there's more water coming into the bath than there is going out, you'll end up with bigger muscles.

One of the ways that pain killers such as ibuprofen work is to suppress the synthesis of substances known as prostaglandins. However, these very same prostaglandins also have a profound effect on muscle growth.

The extent to which the prolonged use of pain killers affects muscle growth over a period of several weeks or months is open to debate.

While the occasional use of pain killers isn't likely to cause a problem, they're certainly not something you should use too often.

If you do want to avoid feeling sore after exercise, the best way is simply to ease your way into a new training program gradually.

I had to go on anti-inflamms after a cycle cause of my skin condition. I used Celestamine for 4 weeks and I lost every single kg i gained through my cycle and pct!! I have lost so much mass that it looks like I havent trained in 6 months... :X

I think im gonna go see a chiro as well pain is now back again. Im gonna start some anti inflams i just cant believe im gonna lose size on 800 mgs of test.

Do Pain Killers affect Muscle Building?

For years, bodybuilders wanted to know if their OTC pain killers like Asprin or Tylenol or prescriptions like vicodin had any effect on their muscle building efforts. Bodybuilders often take pain killers to get through an injury, aching joints, or to recover from muscle soreness. Unfortunately, certain groups of these pain killers may actually be hurting your muscle building efforts. You may have been sabatoging your muscle gains all these years and not even realized it.

continued....... www.musclesweb.net/blog/do-pain-killers-affect-muscle-building/

Hi, what would the effect be of joint support, supplements? Don't they also act in a way as a anti inflammatory agent also, reducing swelling and pain?

SUPERSPIDER wrote:

Hi, what would the effect be of joint support, supplements? Don't they also act in a way as a anti inflammatory agent also, reducing swelling and pain?

It all depends which product you are using and what it contains