Do people react to different esters differently?

Hello All

Just asking this question because the cycle i did now made me feel so shit, grumpy and had like three different personalaties( spell check) that i stopped it 1 week early.I did:
test e 600mg/p/week
tren a 75mg/p/week
and the last three weeks i did 40mg of anavar.
Was meant to run the whole cycle for 8 weeks but stopped 1 week before. Had 3x500iu of hcg and 100mg /p/day clomid for four days so far and feel so much better and happier and loving training.

Do you think these sides were from the test? , maybe estrogen was too high.

Did a sust and equi in the begining of the year and felt fantastic. Just wondering if i should stick to the same as sust from now on?

Thanks!

What was the tren dose? 75mg per week? Or was it 75 mg EOD? Tren ace needs to be pinned daily preferably, but at least EOD and the dose should be 75mg EOD.

The sides you are describing sound like they are coming from tren-insomnia, night sweats, aggression, weird dreams are some of them.
But if the dose was 75mg per week I doubt it was doing anything.

Not likely to be the test, esp if you were fine on sustanon. I know some guys swear different esters have different effects, but I don't buy it, test is test all the ester does is release it at different rates into your blood stream.

Also, even your original cycle of 8 weeks is too short for test e-needs to be 10 weeks at least for it to have built up to significant blood levels and start exerting it's effect. If you are going to run short cycles you need to run test prop, or at least test iso, which isn't so easy to get. Sustanon is ok for 8 weeks as it's made up of different esters so you get the prop ester kick with it.

Check your dosing on the tren, but at normal doses I would say your sides are definitely tren related.

4 days for PCT? shoe, you better get some Nolva asap...

i think u where suffering from tren sides,i like the strength and muscle the substance gives u but its honestly i didnt like the sides like the sweats,insomnia the constant thunder clouds going around in my head...not kif...

From my own personal experience i would say different esters do affect people differently.When i take anything with a short ester like prop or sus i get very moody,pounding headaches,raised blood pressure,etc for the 1st few weeks.But on longer esters like testE i dont feel it that bad.

tiny wrote:

From my own personal experience i would say different esters do affect people differently.When i take anything with a short ester like prop or sus i get very moody,pounding headaches,raised blood pressure,etc for the 1st few weeks.But on longer esters like testE i dont feel it that bad.

How often are you pinning?
In all likelihood it's because of fluctuating blood levels of the hormone.

I should reword my post, the underlying hormone is identical, but the release into the blood stream is at different rates and if you are pinning test e 2 x week within the 10 day half life your blood levels will be more stable than pinning prop EOD.
I like to pin prop daily to maintain stability, and find it does make a difference compared to EOD.
If you are pinning straight test base (no ester), you would have to pin 4x per day to get similar stability you would from pinning test e 2x week.

Yohimbe wrote:

tiny wrote:

From my own personal experience i would say different esters do affect people differently.When i take anything with a short ester like prop or sus i get very moody,pounding headaches,raised blood pressure,etc for the 1st few weeks.But on longer esters like testE i dont feel it that bad.

How often are you pinning?
In all likelihood it's because of fluctuating blood levels of the hormone.

I should reword my post, the underlying hormone is identical, but the release into the blood stream is at different rates and if you are pinning test e 2 x week within the 10 day half life your blood levels will be more stable than pinning prop EOD.
I like to pin prop daily to maintain stability, and find it does make a difference compared to EOD.
If you are pinning straight test base (no ester), you would have to pin 4x per day to get similar stability you would from pinning test e 2x week.

I am currently off cycle,TestE i usually pin 300mg every monday and thursday.When i use sus i pin 250mg on same days also.The half-life of testE is around 15 days and not 10 days.But i still feel the longer the ester the less dramatic the initial side effects.

tiny wrote:

I am currently off cycle,TestE i usually pin 300mg every monday and thursday.When i use sus i pin 250mg on same days also.The half-life of testE is around 15 days and not 10 days.But i still feel the longer the ester the less dramatic the initial side effects.

It takes longer for blood levels to reach peaks-500mg week of test prop will result in far higher blood levels in week one than 500mg of test e because of the ester.

I've never heard of test e having 15 day half life, it's 7 carbon enanthic acid
www.superiormuscle.com/forums/steroid-ar...ctive-life-half-life
forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

Thanks guys, i thought it could have been the tren, but only having 75mg twice a week, i thought it could not be that. Guess it shows how potent tren is. I was carrying loads of water and bloated( only eating 80g carbs a day), so i thought it was the estrogen levels were to high.

@ Pump, i've got lots of clomid for 15 days and hcg but i was just saying that only after four days of pct and i already felt so much better.
PS. I think i should have listened to you when you warned about the tren and the sides.
Wont do tren again, my kids and wife hated me!But did gain 8kgs lean muscle

Ralf your confusing me :blink: Saying carried loads of water from Estrogen but gained 8kg lean muscle..please help me understand !! :laugh: :laugh:

Hello Hulkie, in the first two weeks i put on 12kgs, from 92kg to 104kg( im sure most of that was water). So i went on low carb eating plan only consuming 2100 cal a day. For the next 5 weeks i stayed at 104kg but could see my body tightning up. Since starting pct i've dropped another 2kg and im sure there is still another 2kg that will come off quick. Im much leaner than when i was 92kg and once pct is finnished im sure i will be at 99/100kg.

Thanks for taking the time to explain. Makes perfect sense now

Different esters can promote differing extents to which effects occur, based on speed of metabolism of the ester type because one person may metabolise one ester type better than someone else. But the effects from one compound to another are still the same (although barely noticable in some instances)

Just my 2c worth.
My 1st cycle was test e and i'm now running prop. The acne and moods are hitting me alot harder on the prop than on the e.

andre300 wrote:

Just my 2c worth.
My 1st cycle was test e and i'm now running prop. The acne and moods are hitting me alot harder on the prop than on the e.

What yor pinning schedule? Maybe try pinning ED instead of EOD, if you're doing it EOD. It's shit pinning daily, but I found it makes a big difference with blood levels. Also makes the injection much smoother as you're not pinning as much oil if pin daily-don't get that usual prop lump as much.

Yohimbe wrote:

andre300 wrote:

Just my 2c worth.
My 1st cycle was test e and i'm now running prop. The acne and moods are hitting me alot harder on the prop than on the e.

What yor pinning schedule? Maybe try pinning ED instead of EOD, if you're doing it EOD. It's shit pinning daily, but I found it makes a big difference with blood levels. Also makes the injection much smoother as you're not pinning as much oil if pin daily-don't get that usual prop lump as much.

Yohimbe, i'm not too keen to pin in my quads or anywhere for that matter that does not include my delts or glutes.....call me a wuss if u like.
Don't mind a bit of acne.
Will pinning ED give different results as to your gains

andre300 wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

andre300 wrote:

Just my 2c worth.
My 1st cycle was test e and i'm now running prop. The acne and moods are hitting me alot harder on the prop than on the e.

What yor pinning schedule? Maybe try pinning ED instead of EOD, if you're doing it EOD. It's shit pinning daily, but I found it makes a big difference with blood levels. Also makes the injection much smoother as you're not pinning as much oil if pin daily-don't get that usual prop lump as much.

Yohimbe, i'm not too keen to pin in my quads or anywhere for that matter that does not include my delts or glutes.....call me a wuss if u like.
Don't mind a bit of acne.
Will pinning ED give different results as to your gains

No I don't think it'll make any difference to gains, just the fluctuation in the blood levels, which is probably what's causing the acne and ups and downs you are feeling.

Pecs aren't bad.