Short cycles

Hey guys. I was thinking of doin a 4-6 week cycle. I know prop is ideal for this, but not really "lus" for eod injections. Is prop my only answer or could 1 use something else?

For a 6 week cycle you pretty much going to have to use fast acting substances = EOD injections.

Unless you do orals only cycle.

Tbol and winstrol tabs..

acidkidsa wrote:

For a 6 week cycle you pretty much going to have to use fast acting substances = EOD injections.

Unless you do orals only cycle.

Tbol and winstrol tabs..

aagh. Figured as much. I wanted to do a 6week var cycle and throw in a little test to keep me on my toes.

superbol and hot = 6 weeks.

What is the reason for the short cycle? Why not just do a proper one?

00pump wrote:

What is the reason for the short cycle? Why not just do a proper one?

He wants to do a quick one to look good at Christmas time....LOL....ain't gonna work.......start a proper one in January like I'm gonna do.

00pump wrote:

What is the reason for the short cycle? Why not just do a proper one?

Well ive been cutting for the last 4 weeks and its not goin to bad. The thing is my strength has declined, so i wanted to take var for the strength. But taking the var can kill my sex drive a bit. Thats why I wanted to add a low dose of test. Goin away end december so dont want to inject then.

Same here, I'll start one in Feb as wont be training From 23rd Dec, till the 11th of Jan, then must come back and hit it hard for 2 weeks + and then cycle. Want to first make sure i'm back in it before I cycle...

Going to do a serious hardening cycle, Winstrol, EQ, hGH, Masteron... no test... if I do use test 200mg p/w

00pump wrote:

Same here, I'll start one in Feb as wont be training From 23rd Dec, till the 11th of Jan, then must come back and hit it hard for 2 weeks + and then cycle. Want to first make sure i'm back in it before I cycle...

Going to do a serious hardening cycle, Winstrol, EQ, hGH, Masteron... no test... if I do use test 200mg p/w

I'm still contemplating.....will either be (Tbol 4wk,Equi 14wk,Super Test 14wk) or (HGH 6mth and Test 14wk) or (MGE and ?)

or start something now and come off next year sometime

You could run a front load with a longer ester such as test E and then ride the ester.

Would mean you would have to pin EOD for three weeks and push the test dose high.

Not a popular way to do it and many will say the receptors can only handle so much, but I had pretty good results from an EQ frontload for 3 and half weeks.

Just putting it out there before I get crucified

No worries Yohimbe, was actually gonna offer the SHIC option up as well . I don't like them and feel they're a bit of a hazard (and such only used by experienced users) but the user can make his own decisions...

It's probably best to plan ahead for a proper cycle - get all your gear and ancillaries together beforehand, make sure your diet and training are up to par and not interrupted by long holidays etc. and then go for it all out.

But if you're really in a hurry - I've had pretty good results with a test prop and Winstrol cycle that I ran for 3 and a half weeks. Alternatively you can use test suspension and Winstrol. Dosages will depend on your level of experience (and by that I mean how many previous cycles, what previous dosages were like etc.)

I used almost 900mg of test prop per week. Injected 3 times a week eg Mon, Wed, Fri. I took 20mg of Winstrol per day orally. That gives a total androgen load of 1040mg per week.

I used it like this because I had a lot of leftover test prop that I wanted to finish. I know - definitely not a good way to approach a cycle, but I was short on dough and got pretty decent results from this.

What I would recommend to you, from previous experience with test and Winstrol cycles, is to maybe use 600mg test prop per week plus 300mg of Winstrol. Inject 3 times a week. Winstrol can either be used orally, injected or a combination of the two (the pharmacokinetics of injecting or ingesting Winstrol differ slightly, but I don't think it really makes a noticable difference in results).

I've made my best strength gains on this type of cycle (just a longer one) and got very decent muscle gains (even with the 3 and a half week cycle). When using test and Winstrol together, it feels as though the Winstrol lessens some of the oestrogenic sides of test (this is my own subjective experience - but I get less bloated, no gyno problems etc when using this combination than when using test alone).

The other option, like Yohimbe said, is to frontload with one of the longer esters. That way you can get away with less frequent injections. If you don't want to do EOD injections, the frontloading option is probably not a bad idea - EQ, test enanthate (basically anyone of the longer esters) should do the trick... If you want quick strength gains, go for something with a higher androgenic index.

DrTest wrote:

I've made my best strength gains on this type of cycle (just a longer one) and got very decent muscle gains (even with the 3 and a half week cycle). When using test and Winstrol together, it feels as though the Winstrol lessens some of the oestrogenic sides of test (this is my own subjective experience - but I get less bloated, no gyno problems etc when using this combination than when using test alone).

Some studies show winny competes for position at the progesterone receptor, and the anti estrogenic effect comes from limiting the agonising effect of progesterone on estrogen.


www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm

I also find winny stacks well with test as an anti E of sorts, and well with NPP.

That's very interesting...

I read that it has anti-progestogenic effects, but didn't realize that it could decrease oestrogenic sides indirectly through this mechanism. Cool!

DrTest wrote:

That's very interesting...

I read that it has anti-progestogenic effects, but didn't realize that it could decrease oestrogenic sides indirectly through this mechanism. Cool!

I can't find anything conclusive on this. But I have noticed personally winny helps with bloat from test-I eventually dropped the anti E when I was running the winny and normally I have to run 0.5mg letro EOD or start suffering with estrogen sides.

Well tell u what i had heavy cramps from winny. sometimes in the morning id stretch and get a baaaaad calf cramp or leg cramp. And that shit can make a grown man moan

There was a discussion a while ago where the general consensus
Was that short cycles are worth it.But this thread seems to say the oppoisite
I am on a prop 150mg eod and 80mg tbol. I am at the end of week 2 and I can't say
That much has happened, so I am leaning towards short cycles maybe not being that greatm
Any thoughts?

well andre300 after 2 weeks u not gonna see much dude...

djeasye wrote:

well andre300 after 2 weeks u not gonna see much dude...

I think I must maybe lengthen thr cycle
From 6 to 8 weeks

andre300 wrote:

djeasye wrote:

well andre300 after 2 weeks u not gonna see much dude...

I think I must maybe lengthen thr cycle
From 6 to 8 weeks

How many cycles have you done?

I think you're test needs to be a bit higher on a short cycle, esp if you have a few cycles under your belt. I usually go with 800mg/week prop for 6 weekers.

Yohimbe wrote:

andre300 wrote:

djeasye wrote:

well andre300 after 2 weeks u not gonna see much dude...

I think I must maybe lengthen thr cycle
From 6 to 8 weeks

How many cycles have you done?

I think you're test needs to be a bit higher on a short cycle, esp if you have a few cycles under your belt. I usually go with 800mg/week prop for 6 weekers.

This is my 2nd cycle.I'll give it another week then c if I should bump it up 2 200mgeod

What are your gains so far?
I found the difference between the gains on my first cycle and second were huge. On the first cycle I gained 15kg on a 6 weeker 500mg test prop and 40mg tbol. Lost about 5 kgs post cycle. The second was the same cycle, but pushed the test to 600mg and tbol to 60mg and gained 4-5kg.
Was very disappointed. But you first cycle you just grow like a weed, after that it slows down dramatically and becomes more a factor of diet.
I was looking into androgen receptor overload and desensitisation and guy on another board said bullshit, whats your diet. My protein was about 200g per day. He said double it, and I gained about 10kg on third cycle of test prop and masteron.

What does your diet look like? You need to be getting about 400+g quality protein per day, depending on your size, to see gains.
It still won't be like your first cycle but push the protein and you'll see a marked differnce.
I would also push the test dose up a bit.

Yohimbe wrote:

What are your gains so far?
I found the difference between the gains on my first cycle and second were huge. On the first cycle I gained 15kg on a 6 weeker 500mg test prop and 40mg tbol. Lost about 5 kgs post cycle. The second was the same cycle, but pushed the test to 600mg and tbol to 60mg and gained 4-5kg.
Was very disappointed. But you first cycle you just grow like a weed, after that it slows down dramatically and becomes more a factor of diet.
I was looking into androgen receptor overload and desensitisation and guy on another board said bullshit, whats your diet. My protein was about 200g per day. He said double it, and I gained about 10kg on third cycle of test prop and masteron.

What does your diet look like? You need to be getting about 400+g quality protein per day, depending on your size, to see gains.
It still won't be like your first cycle but push the protein and you'll see a marked differnce.
I would also push the test dose up a bit.

So far no real gains, strength I don't know cause when I started with cycle I also started with max ot.
Protein is at about 350g, but ill up it abit.
Not looking to gain more than 4 kgs, but I want solid gains.
Any advice on how to solidify those gains?