Nolvadex vs Arimidex

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14 Oct 2009 13:12 #25708 by garra
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Ok..ive been checking this argument on endless steroid wesbites and i want to set the record staright as to many times guys have been commenting on this issue without any knowledge or empirical evidence to substantiate their arguments...

Can one run a testesterone cycle via the use of Nolva instead of arimidex and still amass the same gains? I think one can...

On so many occassions ive seen guys answer this question with the typical crap like "nolva is a serm and arimidex is an ai"....AI is used on-cycle and nolva for PCT...

Well let me set the record straight. Nolvadex is a SERM which is correct, it doesnt block the coversion of testesterone but rather prevents estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors in the breast tissue. Arimidex is an Aromotase Inhibitor which means that it basically stops the conversion of test to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, effectively blocking all estrogen converions and subsequently allowing for more "free" testesterone to be circulating in the body....

First issue here is the fact one needs estrogen to facilitate muscle growth, particularly when on cycle. By taking A-dex we are effectively blocking the production of any estrogen and therefore losing the gains that can be derived from the compound. When using nolva we are still allowing the test to aromatize into the needed estrogen but just preventing the it from binding onto the estrogen receptors in the breast tissue. Because Nolvadex is a SELECTIVE estrogen recptor modulator, emphasis on the word Selective, it will acts as an estrogen agonist in some tissues and as an estrogen antagonist in others.

Obviously when running a test cycle, the best cycle would be one without the use of anti-aromatizng agents or serms. However, if you are really worried about estrogenic related side effects, id rathet run a serm as oppossed to an AI. Id opt for maybe incorporating a stronger AI such as femara in conjunction with nolvadex in the last few weeks to rid myself of any estrogenic bloat which i may have gained on-cycle..

this is just my two cents guys...

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14 Oct 2009 15:24 #25737 by Inja
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Um... Why are you telling us this? :)

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14 Oct 2009 15:27 #25738 by Inja
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P.S.
A-dex aint that harsh, and leaves enough estrogen in the system if you use is sparingly.
And a SERM will help with gyno but certainly won't stop water retention on a good bulk(The main reason I run an A.I. on cycle).

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14 Oct 2009 15:45 #25749 by garra
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lol...yeah

my post does leave one with the sense of "what is this dude going on about"

Nah just been doing a search on the posts and noted that a lot of cats are wanting to know if its ok to use nolva on cycle instead of adex and guys replying as if you gonna be wastin ur juice if you do....

I was suggesting that one could run nolva on cycle and maybe add letrozole to the last three weeks of ur cycle to limit the bloat..

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16 Oct 2009 15:11 #26022 by HULKman
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What else besides letro and armidex can be used to combat bloat?

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16 Oct 2009 15:37 #26027 by Empire
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maybe 100mg a day of proviron,i still get bloated when using 50mg of proviron...so i need lots...

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23 Oct 2009 23:08 #26787 by Yohimbe
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Have to be careful of estrogen rebound effect if running a serm only-the test still aromatises to estrogen so the estrogen is still in your body, just not being absorbed. As soon as you stop the serm all the excess estrogen will be soaked up by the receptors.

If you are prone to estrogen sides you will suffer with rebound. Prefer to run AI on cycle to stop the aromatise. But I'm unfortunate in being sensitive to estrogen, some don't even need to run AI or serm, or can get away with masteron or proviron.

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25 Oct 2009 14:18 #26873 by Inja
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An A.I. rebound can be even worse brotha. When using an A.I. your body upregulates the expression of aromatase enzymes... Then when you cessate A.I. use any testosterone that your body is making is quickly converted to estrogen and your hormone balance is quickly skewed in favour of the latter. This excess estrogen to androgen ratio can quickly shut down natural test production...
This is why I always follow A.I. use with a SERM to signal to the hypothalamus that estrogen levels are low and test must be produced, even while aromatase is running wild.

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25 Oct 2009 16:31 #26889 by Yohimbe
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Inja wrote:

An A.I. rebound can be even worse brotha. When using an A.I. your body upregulates the expression of aromatase enzymes... Then when you cessate A.I. use any testosterone that your body is making is quickly converted to estrogen and your hormone balance is quickly skewed in favour of the latter. This excess estrogen to androgen ratio can quickly shut down natural test production...
This is why I always follow A.I. use with a SERM to signal to the hypothalamus that estrogen levels are low and test must be produced, even while aromatase is running wild.


This is true. Serm always needs to be run post cycle

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