beginner with shyt loads of research want advice

hallo ..

ive been doing shyt load if research of diet/programs/gear etc. but im still confused what to use.
after many years looking for the right dieet and workoutprogram on US bodybuilding sites, i came across last nite on the MAX-OT program on this site. when ive start reading it,i could not stop and end up reading the whole 164 page program. OMG!i must say ,that is so far the best i came across on the internet. i was in the uk the last years and ive start seriuosly about a year ago,but i end up in a injury with my back and i was out of training for a year. ok im all good now and ill start again on monday with the MAX-OT program. i will still do some research on the gear for the future,but for now,i want to build natural.. but now my question is,when can i use a light dose of roids ?? i know the key is after 2 years. but if im really motivated with my program and dieet, can i use a light dose after 6 months or so? what is the negative point of using roids in a early stage? and what cycle do you guys prefer.. decca/suss ? decca/dbol ? its here where i want serious advice. thnx

ok im 29 years old, 85 kg, 1.8 m and my goal for the future is more like a front cover model,rather than a bodybuilder .. ok its my dream, but hope i can reach it.

ill start next week monday with the MAX-OT program ,with a strict dieet what they recommend. and my supplements will be :

MEAL REPLACEMENT (dont know what one)
ON whey
ON l-glutamine
EVOX CREATINE
and a testorone enhancher ----> BSN axis-HT ? or hypertest ? or universal pack? .

can you guys tell me about my goal what i want to reach for the type of gear for the future?

thnx . P.

ok no one reply ..

can i use

week 1 to 6 monday and thurs. 500mg sus
week 8 to 10 winny 2 a day ?

im worried about acne, in my teen years i had quiet alot of acne, and was on roaccutane ,when i was on school.age 15 to 17. im now 29. what can i use to make the ance minimum if it happen. ?

thnx

i will reply to your mail in a couple hours champ,only saw it came through now

ok no one reply ..

Right.... Now that South Africa is awake, lets see if "pieterden " is awake.

Hellllllooooooo pieterden!

The negative of doing roids so early is that you are going to basically waste your first cycle, because you will naturally develop gains in your first few years anyway.

Why not eat big, lift big and grow big, naturally? When you hit a plateau after a couple of years of training consider roids.

I reckon anyone should be training for at least 5 years before they consider roids. Some guys might say slightly less than that. But I think it takes about 5 years to fully develop your natural potential.

Train hard and eat right and you WILL develop over the next few years.

Just my 10 cents worth.

hallo jackrabbit..

im here to stay, only a fresh boarder now,but working my way up to the exclusive boarder room..

Dj.. thnx for the reply.

Shaun. ill take youre advise not to kickstart me with any juice, and will see where i am after dj take me on for 12 months.. hope im proud to post before and after pics after that.gl.

Jeah, go with Dj...

You can get that exact body you talking about with out juice.... I will submit some photos of 1 of my brothers after helping him for 2 years, he is natrual bodybuilder who is diabetic, and your eyes will drop out your head how shredded and good his body looks, not with 1 single supplement, besides protein shakes...

if I was natrual I would like to look like him... and thats just 2 years, he is around 6'2 78kgs, and 6% bodyfat...

in all honesty for the body you looking for you will never need to take 1 steroid in your life.... maybe it gets you there quicker, but its the same with guys that use high doses of clen and other fate burners... it supresses their apitite, etc.. but once they stop they start putting on the kg's.... if you learn how to do it via diet and exercise you will never need to pop a pill or inject something.....

once again thats my 2 cents too....

hi pump..

can you pls post the pic of youre brother ?

Hi pieterden

We both hav sumthin in common, also when i was in my teens i had very bad acne so the derm put me on roacutan (hardcore shit!) left scaring etc. i am on my first cycle now on test e and been 3weeks and i am already seeing acne pop up everywhere, i reckon that people who have had the problem b4 will most definitely have acne side effects from the juice even more so than the average person.

agree and disagree ...


i REALLY dont agree with starting off with steroids if you're new to the lifestyle ... normally i'd say get your body in gear for heavy training and push your natural limits first.

but

the MAX-Out routine is FARKING heavy on the system , you'll need to make sure your diet and supps are 100% perfect or i can almost guarantee you'll burn out before you finish it. I've done the program and it is brutal , but damn effective ... when i ran the routine i was running heavy doses of sust and dbols though.

so your choice bro


WOT