Advice on Brands and First Cycle

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25 Jan 2024 19:01 #229584 by Bardu
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Hi Guys, 

New on here, but not new to bodybuilding and the anabolic scene, having trained when I was younger with friends who have competed. I was going to hop on back in 2016, but my priorities changed and I became a tested athlete. That being said, I've never used personally and took the last 7 years off weight training due to focusing on my career. Without going into specifics I was a professional athlete and naturally had a decent sport specific physique, hovering at around 86 - 88kgs between 10 - 12% bf. I "retired" from the sport in May and have been going hard again since last year June (2022) making strength gains and muscle gains that I'm happy with. I've decided that I'd like to hop on. I'm 29, sitting at about 101 - 103kgs, 20 - 22% bf. 
With the above context in mind, I find myself a little confused, paralysis by analysis regarding what cycle to do for maximal strength and size gains (bulk, and small surplus focused), because there are so many things I want to try! Secondly, all the brands I remember from 2014 - 2016 are different, gone or difficult to get. This means I'm inundated with brands I have never heard of or seen reviews on. I remember Keifei, and have a supplier who can get that, then another supplier who has Ciccone (he said they're making a comeback), and a brand called Pharmachem. Now I have never heard of Pharmachem, and this supplier says he's the only one who can get it in my (they had just come onto the scene when I stoppped bodybuilding, and apparently they took over Nomad labs, which in my opinion is the shittest lab out there).

If you've made it through my essay (thank you for your patience), I want to run:
Test E: 200mg per week, increasing by 50mg every 2 weeks, peaking at 400mg 8 weeks in, then cruising for 8 weeks for a total of 16 weeks total
Deca: 100mg per week, increasing by 25mg every 2 weeks, peaking at 200mg, exact same period as the test
Masteron/Equipoise 75 mg per week, not sure how many stages of increase yet, but by 8 weeks I'd like to run 100 - 125mg for the remaining 8 weeks
Dianabol 20mg a day, for the first 3 - 4 weeks.
My thinking is that I want to use the minimum effective dose, since I really don't want sides, and would like to not have to use SERMS or AI's unless I really have to.

Thank you guys, any input would be greatly appreciated

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26 Jan 2024 10:52 #229587 by Bardu
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Sorry about the typos and grammar, wrote all of the above in a bit of a hurry, chasing deadlines.

Realised upon reading through more of the forum that I should give more information about my physical condition to give you guys a better understanding of level that I'm at. 
181cm, 101 - 103kg, 20 - 25% bf. 
Barbell  Flat Bench: 140kg x 2
Dumbbell Press 60kg per side for 5 - 6
Squat 180kg x 3
Deadlift: 240 x 2

I hope that helps 


 

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27 Jan 2024 09:26 #229591 by Empire
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Ok at that bf i would do this :

2mg per kg of Testosterone maximum, there will be alot of conversion to estrogen at that bf%.

So test dose from start to finish is going to be 200mg.

I would start deca dosing at 1.5mg per kg so 150mg per week.

Masteron starting at 1.5mg per kg so 150mg per week.

That will give you 500mg per week which is an ok dose to build muscle.
After 2 weeks you can bump the deca and masteron by 50mg each untill you get to 300mg of each so that will be by the end of week 6. And run that peak dosing for 10 weeks. That will put you at 8mg per kg.

Diet i woul probably suggest 2700kcal everyday and 10 000 steps a day. You should loose bf and grow at the same time with the above.

Equi test and dbol are all from the Testosterone family. So you dont need the eq and dbol as all it will do is drive up the point of conversion of estrogen.

What is your blood pressure sitting at currently?
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27 Jan 2024 15:05 #229592 by Bardu
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Thank you for the reply Empire .
My blood pressure is solid. Generally within range, get it checked every 2 odd weeks, since I don't have my own cuff (getting bloods done end of next week too, so can post that up here as soon as I get them).
Highest my blood pressure's been in the last 3 months is 135/90. On average I'm around high 120's over mid 80's.
I had my reservations about the DBol for that reason and honestly wasn't seriously considering it, due to what you mentioned and the added liver toxicity. That being said I thought I'd just run it past you guys in case I was being too pedantic about it. I didn't account for the EQ though, so thank you for that - brain fart.
Thanks for the clarification on running for 16 weeks. Goes in line with what I thought would work, nice to hear that confirmation. Masteron probably will drive down the E2, because of the fact that it function to have a slight SERM effect if I'm correct?

Also thank you for providing the insight about the bodyfat and the conversion it'll cause to the test, that totally slipped my mind

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01 Feb 2024 14:21 #229600 by Bardu
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Just a little update gentlemen. Upon further reflection, I've decided to take a bit of a more measured and patient approach. When Empire mentioned the high bodyfat I currently have, I just thought that I'd rather hit a "mini" cut, get my nutrition totally in line with what I need, trim away and get it down to 12 ish, maybe 10 percent and then hop on. If I do, I may do 250mg per week Test E and just keep everything else as you've recommended. I should be able to cut down to around 90 ish kgs at 12% I reckon, so the 250mg per week, will put me below 3mg per kg and the lower fat will insure I don't aromatise as much as I would, if I started now. I'm giving myself 6 - 8 weeks, will keep you guys updated and load up some starting pics, then load pics at the end of cycle. Here's to hoping by being in great condition, with solid habits that I'll be a hyper responder and be the next Kevin Levrone (I'm jk, but surely I can dream LOL!).

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02 Feb 2024 07:15 #229601 by Empire
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12kgs in 6-8 weeks? ambitious.

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03 Feb 2024 15:50 #229607 by Bardu
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LOL! I get your doubt at the prospect of me losing that fast xD .
Already down to 100kg and I've had to cut weight and hit numbers tons, so at least I know how to suffer. Will keep you guys updated, keen to get your feedback!

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04 Feb 2024 09:40 #229608 by Empire
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I drop 5-6kgs in 5 days when making weight for bodybuilding. And have had to do that drop every time ive competed since 2015.

Weight loss is not fat loss.

Cut off your leg, tada 19kgs lost. Is it fat? Nope. 12kgs of fat is a different task..
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05 Feb 2024 09:40 #229610 by Bardu
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You're not wrong Empire! I'll let you guys know how it goes

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