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16 Dec 2022 11:23 #228721
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Hey legends,
so if you saw my last post you would have seen I have been experiencing puffy nipples, but they aren’t sensitive, itchy or sore.
I am currently cruising on 130 Test C, pinning every 2 days, currently not taking any AI
I just got my bloods back:
e2: 345 (ref range: <185)
prolactin: 20 (ref range: 3-13)
free test: 1105 (ref range: 170-660)
I assume I need to start using adex, but how much do y’all think? (I know it’s subjective)
also what would be the best intervals to take it? EOD? 3x PW?
I assume the prolactin will come down when the e2 comes down.
any advice or input would be greatly appreciated : )
so if you saw my last post you would have seen I have been experiencing puffy nipples, but they aren’t sensitive, itchy or sore.
I am currently cruising on 130 Test C, pinning every 2 days, currently not taking any AI
I just got my bloods back:
e2: 345 (ref range: <185)
prolactin: 20 (ref range: 3-13)
free test: 1105 (ref range: 170-660)
I assume I need to start using adex, but how much do y’all think? (I know it’s subjective)
also what would be the best intervals to take it? EOD? 3x PW?
I assume the prolactin will come down when the e2 comes down.
any advice or input would be greatly appreciated : )
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16 Dec 2022 17:31 #228722
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So you are punning 390mg of test a week?
What is your current weight?
What is your current weight?
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16 Dec 2022 19:24 #228723
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Fuck mb, no I’m pinning twice a week, 130mg test in total, so 65 per injection
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16 Dec 2022 20:03 #228724
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Yet again, what is your body weight?
Also how long ago did you come off your 400mg per week course and what was in that course in addition to test?
Also how long ago did you come off your 400mg per week course and what was in that course in addition to test?
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16 Dec 2022 20:22 - 16 Dec 2022 20:31 #228725
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Sitting at about 83kg, at 6ft. So fairly lean atm
I came off the 400 about 1 month ago, and in that cycle it was my first cycle so only ran test
I guess I aromatise like a mf
I came off the 400 about 1 month ago, and in that cycle it was my first cycle so only ran test
I guess I aromatise like a mf
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17 Dec 2022 05:16 #228726
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So you are at 5mg per kg of Testosterone that's why you aromarizing to estrogen.
Also your levels will still elevated as you have stopped injecting a higher dose a month ago but you are still taking time to clear the build up plus you are injecting more on a weekly basis. So yea I can see why your bloods have come back the way they have.
If you are "cruising now" I would do a sports hrt. Which is max 3mg per kg, done 50% test and 50% masteron E. Masteron will lower estrogen levels.
You can take the arimadex now, but as you have said previously you aren't getting lumps it's just the nipple is puffy, correct?
With test levels dropping, your e2 levels will drop.. and if you are as lean as you say you are you shouldn't really be converting at a rate of knots.
Also your levels will still elevated as you have stopped injecting a higher dose a month ago but you are still taking time to clear the build up plus you are injecting more on a weekly basis. So yea I can see why your bloods have come back the way they have.
If you are "cruising now" I would do a sports hrt. Which is max 3mg per kg, done 50% test and 50% masteron E. Masteron will lower estrogen levels.
You can take the arimadex now, but as you have said previously you aren't getting lumps it's just the nipple is puffy, correct?
With test levels dropping, your e2 levels will drop.. and if you are as lean as you say you are you shouldn't really be converting at a rate of knots.
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17 Dec 2022 08:25 #228727
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Could you explain how you get 5mg per kg, because on this cruise I’m taking 130mg per week @83kg?
I also don’t really want to touch mast yet, I am planning to take adex 0.25 3 times a week? Would that be too much or would you recommend rather taking 0.25mg on pin days ?
I also don’t really want to touch mast yet, I am planning to take adex 0.25 3 times a week? Would that be too much or would you recommend rather taking 0.25mg on pin days ?
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17 Dec 2022 10:31 - 17 Dec 2022 10:32 #228728
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So look at this. You have been injecting 400mg a week in Your cycle with a substance that has a half life of roughly 12-14 days. So there is build up for a couple of weeks before hand on your cycle. So let's say with build up etc you get to about 600mg Testosterone in the system just for easy numbers.
Now you stopped injecting let's say 24 days ago with a peak of 600mg. It then takes 3-5x the half life for complete elimination, so after 14 days, you down to 300mg, after 14 down to 150, after 14 days, down to 75mg etc etc. But you have also been topping up every week at 130mg.
So after 14,28,42 days your peak levels are still going to be higher because you are now adding in the 130mg per week.
The last day you inject doesn't mean all substances exists your body within 24 hours. It usually takes 4-6weeks to clear back to normal levels. You could have not even injected in that time and still had circulating Testosterone levels.
So going for bloods 24 days after your least injection(400mg per week which by simple maths is 400/80 =5 plus build up ontop of that) means that serum levels of Testosterone are still elevated.
In future don't exceed 2-3mg of test per kg of body weight and you won't have estrogen issues, especially if you are running on the lower side and combine it with masteron.
Now you stopped injecting let's say 24 days ago with a peak of 600mg. It then takes 3-5x the half life for complete elimination, so after 14 days, you down to 300mg, after 14 down to 150, after 14 days, down to 75mg etc etc. But you have also been topping up every week at 130mg.
So after 14,28,42 days your peak levels are still going to be higher because you are now adding in the 130mg per week.
The last day you inject doesn't mean all substances exists your body within 24 hours. It usually takes 4-6weeks to clear back to normal levels. You could have not even injected in that time and still had circulating Testosterone levels.
So going for bloods 24 days after your least injection(400mg per week which by simple maths is 400/80 =5 plus build up ontop of that) means that serum levels of Testosterone are still elevated.
In future don't exceed 2-3mg of test per kg of body weight and you won't have estrogen issues, especially if you are running on the lower side and combine it with masteron.
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17 Dec 2022 10:34 #228729
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Ok so you don't want to use masteron which in a clinical setting is used to lower estrogen, which is also an androgen which gives you muscle growth and drive in the gym being from the dht family and has less chances of tanking estrogen vs taking arimadex which fucks your libido up, has no anabolic properties, fucks your joints up, and blood lipids. Sounds like a sound plan to me..
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17 Dec 2022 13:08 #228730
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Oh okay I see what you mean with the elevated levels, but even then, I still think my e2 levels are crazy high and really don’t mind taking adex at a low dose, I took it on my cycle and my libido was perfect.
also, I have see a lot of stuff about mast and hair loss, which I really don’t want haha, what is your opinion on this?
also, I have see a lot of stuff about mast and hair loss, which I really don’t want haha, what is your opinion on this?
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17 Dec 2022 18:02 #228731
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Some people shed hair on test due to dht conversion, some people shed hair on masteron and proviron, it's all about genetics.
Test your e2 after 8 weeks on your cruise dose. Then make that judgement call.
Test your e2 after 8 weeks on your cruise dose. Then make that judgement call.
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04 Jan 2023 23:10 - 04 Jan 2023 23:11 #228762
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Empire, thank you for helping people make sense of using. From a medical point of view, your assessment was spot on. I wish everyone would take the time to learn as much endocrinology as they can. I have a constant struggle with patients and cycles and proper pct or hrt work.
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