Pgw NPP

How's it guys.

So I've heard and read alot of stuff about pgw quality dropping lately and just want to find out has anyone used their stuff Lately ? Did they manage to sort out the issues they were having.

I'm planning on doing a lean bulk at the start of August. I have UPA sust on hand and wanted to do a cycle of npp with it. Reason why I was considering pgw npp over upa npp was purely because it was 150mg as opposed to 100mg from upa and I have used pgws npp before this was probably +-5years ago.

Basically is pgw products sorted with their quality control, specifically their npp. Or should I opt for another brand npp ?


Also a side note. A mate of mine is using oxygen labs npp and says it's legit. I do trust him because he has experience and knowledge with gear that being said I've personally tried oxygen labs Masteron and test prop and they were ok. I felt like it wasn't really 150mg test prop per ml and 125mg Masteron per ml.fair enough I did not have blood work to back up my claim but I've used Masteron and test prop over 6 time by now and know how 300mg feels and how 500mg feels. So I am a bit hesitant on oxygen labs for that reason.

So basically I would appreciate a second opinion,has anyone used their npp with some proper feedback ?

Anyone info/feedback would be appreciated.
Thank you

It should be good to go, from what I know it was more a stock issue vs a quality issue with pgw at the end, but that's just trom what I know.

1 thing I will tell you is this : years ago, pgw had prop that was over dosed at higher than 100mg, it used to crystallize all the time and the PIP was incredible, so that 150mg test prop from oxygen makes me wonder.

As you know, I'm a big advocate for upa products, so even though lower in dose, they work well.

If you are rubbing long cycles, why not just use long esters, test c, mast e and deca. That way you getting higher dose, and the compounds are great. The reason I suggest npp over deca is usually got to do with people experiencing sides such as gyno and can drop it quickly.

1: PGW is no longer in business, so if you can still get PGW NPP it's likely old stock or fake.

2: PGW's NPP at 150mg/ml was very prone to crashing (crystallising), so the 100mg/ml from UPA is not a disadvantage for the product.

Thank you. I appreciate the feedback. Yes it was old stock. So basically in the past I've taken pgw supertest with PGW npp and In terms of doses I felt like I could get away with 1ml of their npp. So I took that into consideration now.

Thanks empire. I personally prefer short esters. I've tried deca itself years ago on a nd didn't like it. Was happy with the results of npp. So I'll give UPA npp a go.

I don't want to do Masteron just yet. I would like to do it closer to November.

I usually run 2 compounds for a certain number of weeks and then switch to 2 other things.
With the only exception of running test tren and mast at once.

remember masteron is anti-estrogen and anti prolactin in its nature, NPP drives up prolactin, so why would you not take the 2 of them for the synergy with increased protein expression, more neurological drive, and enhanced recovery with cell volume? its a case of 1+1= 2 when using them singularly, but now it's 1+1+1 =5 due to the other compounding factors.

Thanks empire. So what dose would you run the npp and Masteron at. I've never tried both of them together. Always took mast and rest or mast test and tren

What is your current weight? What is your goal weight? What is the maximum doses you have taken? What is your current calorie intake?

Just doing a lean bulk followed by a proper cut closer to November.

Current weight is 112.
Current cal intake around 2700

Maximum dose of npp specifically?
Basically If I'm doing a test only cycle I stick to 600mg of test.
Npp the highest dose I took was 300mg which I did notice prolactin side affects at so I took caber. There after I lowered my dose to 150mg (1ml pgw npp) with 1.5mls of PGW supertest so 480mg. that being said I haven't done that cycle in years.

Masteron the maximum I took was around 350-400mg.

I personally had a few NPP vials fail, but was returned and refunded. It was an amazing product when it held up.

first off you aren't even in a calorie surplus at 2700 at 112 unless your body fat is really high
calorie intake for this cycle should be starting at 3600 working up to probably 4800 for real gains.

I would keep test dosing at roughly 3mg per kg the whole cycle. so let's say you want to end up at 120kgs. I would cap your test at 350mg per week of cyp (1.2ml)

I would start at 6+/-mg per kg so 700mg so split the NPP and masteron to 150mg NPP, and 200mg masteron.

after 4 weeks up the NPP to 300mg and masteron to 300mg, another 4 weeks, up the NPP to 400mg and masteron to 400mg, and stay on that for the balance of 16 weeks.

that will give you a total of 1150mg which is roughly 10mg per kg which if you cant grow on that with the calories I suggest, you should evaluate things.

keeping your test to masteron of 1:1 will allow for enough estrogen to grow, keep sex drive happy and joints happy too. and the water at bay.

Thanks for the reply empire. I'm currently at 2700/2900 Cals I was planning to up my cals to around 3200/3400 over the next few weeks and start around there. I have to slowly increase my cals because I tend to get digestive issues if I eat more than 4-5 meals a day. So I'll incorporate a slightly more caloric dense meal.

Ok thank you for the break down truly appreciate it. I'm happy with that test dosing and Masteron dosing cause I was planning on keeping my test around 350-400mg. And I don't mind doing 400mg of Masteron. Only thing is can I start with 100mg of npp ? And gradually up it to around 250mg over the cycle ? Would that still be ok or would that be to little ? Just from past experience I didn't agree well to 300mg of npp before. Also was planning 12 weeks. I see you mentioned 16 weeks. Should I extend it for those extra few weeks ?

Thanks in advance

Well I wouldn't have suggested the cycle I did if I wanted you to run it for longer and at lower doses. Remember you are titration dose up to max level over 8 weeks.you also probably threw yourself into those doses and got sides as you didn't have anything to combat it. Remember you are getting a synergistic effect from the the compounds together.

Ok cool. Thanks for recommending and breaking down the cycle. Gonna give it a ago in a few weeks