Anavar OR Tbol

Which one you reckon will give me better results in gaining muscle? Which one is more beneficial for bodybuilding?

both have their place, 1 for power, 1 for recovery. what are you battling more with? strength or recovery?

also what does the rest of the cycle look like? diet? training? stats?

I am battling more with strength to be honest. I haven't actually started a cycle yet, currently cruising on 150mg. But I want to start a cycle within the next week. However I don't know what other injectable to add at the moment. My goal looking for abit of size but not bloat size fucking hate looking puffy. If I had to actually name a pro bodybuilder physic that I would love to achieve, it would be Brandon Hendricks.

I am currently on maintenance calories of 2800
Stats
- 28
- 169cm
- 15%
- 84.2kg

I train Monday to Friday.

Max your test dosing at 250mg week(1ml of cyp.) Add 200mg of primo, after 5 weeks go to 300mg primo, last 5 weeks add in 40-45mg tbol split pre workout and before bed. That will give you a great cycle, decent lean gains, 15 weeks on. And will give you no bloat. If primo is out of your price range, masteron is the one to go for.

Masteron will drive the workouts quite well, lower shbg. All good things.

Primo is unfortunately out my budget. But I see you mentioned masteron is that good injectable for muscle growth? I have heard mix conversations about it some say it just a good add for drying you out and muscle density

I disagree, I have a good few clients using it as their anabolic of choice due to not being able to use 19nors and they are growing. I did a contest prep with a client that we ran 125mg cyp, 100mg masteron for 4 weeks, then 250 cyp, 200mg masteron, then upped the masteron to 300mg and added in 15mg tbol pre workout and 15mg of anavar post workout and post workout, he got stronger week on week, grew into the show and lost body fat, 21kgs of body fat to be exact and put on 40kgs to his squat maxing out at 170 for 8 reps 2 weeks before the show.

Masteron is an androgen, and an anabolic, it will still elicit muscle growth. Look at tremeres log on this forum and you will see that he is another one who used masteron and test.

Hijack time (but valid for the topic)

In terms of strength sports where weight classes are a factor (eg powerlifting or even oly weightlifting) which would you recommend?

So lets say you are on the borderline of your weight class eg 109kg in the 110kg class, you want to get stronger but not move over 110kg?

I know diet will be a factor to assist as well but for the purpose of this question which drug would add more strength and as little weight as possible?

Or would you take a low dose of each?

I've had great results in this regard with 40mg of Anavar a day previously (20mg 1 to 2 hours before training and 20mg after)

Was wondering if Tbol would be better or if Var is the way to go or a bit of both ?

@empire your input would be greatly appreciated as well as anyone else that has experience in these specific sports

Tbol hands down. It drives strength without any intra muscular water retention or estrogenic water retention. That is why low dose testosterone , high dose masteron, insulin, and gh with tbol is fantastic for a weight capped athlete.

Legend, thanks so much Empire. You have helped me so much over the years and I have learnt a shitload from you. I always appreciate your insights

anytime bud would be interesting to actually plot your cycle for you based on your next meet etc and see where we would need to tinker and tailor your diet to meet your programming.

I admit I don't know shit about PL programming but I know diet, cardio, and drug and weight-cutting techniques for powerlifting. so we could have you max 5-7% above the weight limit. and come down to weight and compensate to about 10% after that.

Anavar dont work for me, Tbol is top

Empire wrote: anytime bud would be interesting to actually plot your cycle for you based on your next meet etc and see where we would need to tinker and tailor your diet to meet your programming.

I admit I don't know shit about PL programming but I know diet, cardio, and drug and weight-cutting techniques for powerlifting. so we could have you max 5-7% above the weight limit. and come down to weight and compensate to about 10% after that.

Awesome mate, I will definitely take you up on that. I'll contact you directly for my next meet. I'm working closely with my coach on this one but will make use of your services for the next one for sure.

She is good at programming for powerlifting, drugs not to sure on seeing I used to advise her ex haha.

Haha, no she doesn't advise on drugs at all :lol: :lol: I mean on the diet side haha.

She has someone that does the diet side and checks in on me daily so I want to honour that.

I'm on a TRT (plus) dose at the moment of 125mg Aspen Sustanon with 100mg Primo per week (both split into 2 doses). Just giving my body a chance to recover a bit. I blasted a bit too much over the years. Was thinking of just adding some orals 4 weeks out hence the question.

Next year I plan on going full steam ahead once my body has recovered a bit. Then you and I will do some WORK!!!!