A good starter steroid to add to TRT?

I have been on TRT for a while now, and have seen some good results with strength in the gym and to my physique. I feel that I am ready to add something to it for a short blast. What would you recommend? My goal is to gain muscle mass.

I was thinking of anavar tabs, at a low dose, but I hear its a cutting steroid. I am also worried about orals, as they can be hepatoxic. I hear low does anavar is pretty mild.

Advice appreciated!

Oh, FYI i have done nothing but TRT (Test cyp, DHEA and HCG)

up your test to 3mg per kg, add in 200mg of masteron. access results from there.

I would be sensible and use something pharmaceutically appropriate (has medical uses in humans).

Anavar or proviron come to mind.

Unfortunately you won't find either strictly pharmaceutical-grade, but that is up to you.

Proviron won't hit your liver.
You would have to abuse the shit out of oxandrolone to cause any liver issues.

If you want to add mass, up the test too.

Edit: Including an AI or adjusting the dose may come into play here.

MPhilosopher wrote: I would be sensible and use something pharmaceutically appropriate (has medical uses in humans).

Anavar or proviron come to mind.

Unfortunately you won't find either strictly pharmaceutical-grade, but that is up to you.

Proviron won't hit your liver.
You would have to abuse the shit out of oxandrolone to cause any liver issues.

If you want to add mass, up the test too.

Edit: Including an AI or adjusting the dose may come into play here.

at 3mg per kg estrogen shouldn't be an issue, seen far too many guys tank estrogen at 0.25mg of adex 2x a week on 3mg per kg. Masteron will have some good neurological stimulation and drive workout intensity as well as keeping e2 lower, as well as increasing free test by reducing SHBG. So it is a much better alternative to Proviron in the fact it has an anabolic effect as well as the effects of androgens by driving workout power.

Iron_my_bru wrote: I have been on TRT for a while now, and have seen some good results with strength in the gym and to my physique. I feel that I am ready to add something to it for a short blast. What would you recommend? My goal is to gain muscle mass.

I was thinking of anavar tabs, at a low dose, but I hear its a cutting steroid. I am also worried about orals, as they can be hepatoxic. I hear low does anavar is pretty mild.

Advice appreciated!

Oh, FYI i have done nothing but TRT (Test cyp, DHEA and HCG)

ok lets actually look at this from a different angle, what is your current test dosing, current body weight and what are your goals here, are you want to blast and then come back down to cruise, or are you wanting to do a "sports" TRT? are you wanting size? are you wanting leaner and harder with small increase in LBM? what is the objective? cos every drug has an application.

Thanks for always being so helpful Empire. DO you reckon just upping my dose of test cyp would also be an option? Or would 2x compounds be better?

Thank you. I was also thinking of Anavar. WOuld I need PCT even if I continue my TRT?

Iron_my_bru wrote: Thanks for always being so helpful Empire. DO you reckon just upping my dose of test cyp would also be an option? Or would 2x compounds be better?

well as i say, lets look at what you are trying to achieve and tailor the drugs to that. simple

Iron_my_bru wrote: Thank you. I was also thinking of Anavar. WOuld I need PCT even if I continue my TRT?

Nope, no PCT.
You are artificially always at perfect testosterone levels. (assuming your TRT dose is sufficient etc)

So what is your goal for adding compounds to your trt?

Got you Empire,

So I want to add around 5kgs muscle mass. I am 35yo and currently at 80kgs, and 5,7 feet tall. I estimate my BF at around 18%.

Current macros:
Protein: 230
Carbs: 340 g
Fat: 130 g



Main Compounds

• Test Cyp 140mgs (70mg 2x a week)
• HCG (not sure of dose), weekly
• Vit D 3000iu a day
• Zinc 70mg a day
• 535mg magnesium a day
• Not taking AIs at all (I have been prescribed 0.5mg arimidex 2x a week) I dont have any symptoms of high Estrogen

Training and rest
5x a week upper lower legs split. The sixth day is cardio (running/cycling). Getting around 7 - 9 hours a day of sleep.

Notes
I am concerned about mast, as I dont want to risk balding, also I want to be careful with my lipids as my LDL tends to get quite high..

Also FYI, I have a very fast metabolism and my genetics mean my body does not like to retain weight, and muscle mass. I lose weight easily everywhere except for my stomach. My strengths would be that my legs and arms grow quickly, but my chest grows frustratingly slow. I train my chest every other day. I also train one week light with high reps (10 - 16 reps) and then one week heavy (5 - 10 reps). I dont have a bif frame but would like to build a good musclar physique that is proportional to my frame.


BLOODS - I cant upload images here?

Thank you!!

First off with training if you are doing 3 sets per muscle exercise do the first 2 sets I'm the 6-10 rep range, then 1 set in the 10-15 rep range with 20% less weight than the first 2 sets. That will eliminate 1 week heavy 1 week light. Do both in 1 session just different attack angles


Ok so here is what is considered sports trt which is 3mg per kg of anabolics. So that would be 240mg for you weekly, so if you are struggling with power and strength you could go with adding 100mg of masteron to that cycle. If you are wanting to do that with an oral turinabol would work well at 15mg daily pre workout ( 5x 15mg is 75mg) if you are battling with recovery and want more lbm adding 100mg primo a week would work, but if you want to go the oral route 15mg of anavar post workout will do nicely. Remember these are low doses that can be added to compliment your long term objective. If you want to go a little past the 3mg per kg bw you could go for 100mg masteron e per week with 15mg anavar post workout and over a period of time you will be honestly just adding low amounts of muscle with little too low oxidative stress to the system. Remember every drug has a purpose, so knowing what the purpose of the result will make the drug choice.

I would add in 500mg of Glucophage daily if you are struggling with your stomach fat. And at 18% bf I wouldn't say you Have that ecto fast metabolism otherwise you would be a racing snake. I have a client on 4800 calories a day, and that guy had a fast metabolism.

You cholesterol is quite high because you taking exogenous hormones and when you aren't creating your own hormones from cholesterol, that number rises.

You can add in 10mg of gw50516 for the cholesterol control purposes.

As for the balding part you gonna risk balding with testosterone bud as it also converts to dht. So if you aren't wanting the lean muscle mass with excess bloat that rules out proviron, masteron, anapolin, primo, and anavar.

You can raise your testosterone levels to the 3mg per kg mark, or add in another testosterone derivative such as turinabol to drive workouts.

Remember, you are 35 and MPD is a thing after that age, it migrated from your head and replaces the hair on your back.

Look at both your father and grandfathers on both sides of the family tree to see if MPB is an issue. If they have thick thick hair you may get some shedding but you won't have any bald spots.

Thanks man, such useful info here!

I will definitely change my training regimen to what you have said. I think I am going to up my test to 240, and sprinkle on some anavar to that too. I want to start slow and see how my body reacts.

I also did some research on Glucophage and gw50516. I think I am going to try the Glucophage, I am a bit worried about gw50516, I know a lot of guys say its fine, but Ide rather not risk it.

Regarding the MPB, I think I have decent genes here, my pops still has most of his hair with a slight receding hairline, I would say he still has 70% of his hair at 70yo. My hair is also thick as all heck.

Iron_my_bru wrote: I am a bit worried about gw50516

Why?

Iron_my_bru wrote: Thanks man, such useful info here!

I will definitely change my training regimen to what you have said. I think I am going to up my test to 240, and sprinkle on some anavar to that too. I want to start slow and see how my body reacts.

I also did some research on Glucophage and gw50516. I think I am going to try the Glucophage, I am a bit worried about gw50516, I know a lot of guys say its fine, but Ide rather not risk it.

Regarding the MPB, I think I have decent genes here, my pops still has most of his hair with a slight receding hairline, I would say he still has 70% of his hair at 70yo. My hair is also thick as all heck.

Now you have read that completely the wrong way. Either up your test, or add in the anavar at this point,not both at the same time to start. Or I worded it incorrectly, sports TRY is going to be a maximum of 3mg per kg of total substances, so your 140mg of test a week leaves you with 100mg of anabolics to add into that. Hence why I suggested 15-20mg of orals of your training days. Once you peak out at 3mg per kg you are now moving into a cycle. So upping your test and adding in anavar aswell at the same time puts you in a low dose cycle.

Bro, gw50516 had complications in rats in doses that would probably be close on 20x what humans would consume. The health benefits to your cholesterol and cardio performance and fat loss at 10-20mg daily are going to make a world of difference.

Darn it, thanks for the clarification. I was going to up my test and do Anavar.

Regarding cardarine, we don't know enough to reach a conclusion so I can't conclude anything concrete.

What we do know is:
GSK dropped this drug pretty damn quickly - the reason to drop such a potentially profitable and life-changing drug.... I can only speculate but it does not seem hopeful.

The single human equivalent dose, would be somewhere over 20mg for a male.
I have seen HED of 0.2-0.5mg/kg.
That would be between 16-40mg for an 80kg male daily.

This is not orders of magnitude more, it is exactly the doses we see.

I have no clue if cardarine or any PPAR-δ agonist is safe.
I find it hard to find an argument showing it is safe.

Had the same question about anavar

thanks for answers