Tren cycle

Ok, so used tren ace awhile ago, said I never will again. But got sick and tired of nothing happening. So I took the plunge again doing 0.5ml tren ace and 1ml test prop EOD. Last time around I remember the sweats, the tren cough once, being emotional and out of breath all the time, that was on 1ml of tren. Both cases PGW.

This time around, depression hitting hard, restlessness at night. Done 4 pins this far, felt sick for a day after each and couldn't train. The injection sites are sore, making it difficult for th next pin, I did not have a that issue the last time. I am using carderine to keep my cardio in check, it seems to keeping me ok, not breathless. Using urbanol in the morning, alzam at night along with my camomile tea. Added 5mg Cialis everyday to keep blood pressure in check(using losaar 100/25 as chronic) taking ecotrin, garlic caps. Using HGH frag, and will soon be adding selank to help cope with the anxiety, along with BPC 157 and tb500 for nagging shoulder niggle. Nephrosolid, milk thistle along with the usual vitamins and phospholids for liver.

I don't know why it's having such a different effect on me this around compared to last time...

On a plus, the goal here was to drop body fat which has started happening.

But battling to cope...

Any feedback on the older geezers that use/used tren and what coping mechanisms was used. Anything I should look at adding to my arsenal to keep me sane or protect my organs better....?

Thanks

Never used it but just going to ask the question, is this worth it?
Does the end truly justify the means in this case?

You already sound miserable and low, am hoping someone can help with some way to help but all I can offer is maybe stop and try look at a different cycle or angle to get where you want to be

You are taking a whole bunch of drugs to combat the side effects of a drug? Urbanol and alzam both being highly addictive.

Also taking tren whilst nursing shoulder injuries and not sorting out the issues by taking more drugs instead of seeking rehab or treatment from a chiro for the shoulder?

How about just don't use tren in order to keep yourself sane and protect your organs. Don't use drugs to drop body fat, use diet and cardio and added drugs to aid the process.

The logic of having to take multiple drugs to combat side effects of a 1 drug instead of changing that 1 drug to something else that doesn't Give you those side effects makes no sense. Also look at the cost of all the things to combat the side effects and the side effects they all have.

Hi Wayne, why not use Test E and Tren E? Less pinning and the Tren does hit your body so hard and fast right off the starting blocks. Tren E is a much better option in my opinion. Slow & Steady wins the race.

NOS, to be honest, dont agree with any tren being a good idea here, especially a long ester, remember once there has been a build-up over the 2-3 weeks to a decent blood concentration, the mental side effects will already be there, so then to drop the compound will take another 30days to exit the system to be at a low enough level to reduce the side effects. so you are in for a rougher ride using longer esters especially when it comes to the mental side effects of the compound. Also remember the lack of sleep of the compound is going to complicate things even further, as anyone will notice how cranky people are who are sleep deprived.

Wayne, you are better off using other compounds to cut on such as NPP, masteron, Anavar, tbol, primo.

as I said in my first post, the drugs are complementing the diet and training. I've seen guys take "cutting cycles" and still get fat because their diet and training and cardio weren't up to scratch. Using tren is band-aiding the vitals and hope the drug does the work by the sounds of things from your original post.

Empire wrote: You are taking a whole bunch of drugs to combat the side effects of a drug? Urbanol and alzam both being highly addictive.

Also taking tren whilst nursing shoulder injuries and not sorting out the issues by taking more drugs instead of seeking rehab or treatment from a chiro for the shoulder?

How about just don't use tren in order to keep yourself sane and protect your organs. Don't use drugs to drop body fat, use diet and cardio and added drugs to aid the process.

The logic of having to take multiple drugs to combat side effects of a 1 drug instead of changing that 1 drug to something else that doesn't Give you those side effects makes no sense. Also look at the cost of all the things to combat the side effects and the side effects they all have.

Have had anxiety issues, alzam and urbanol are on prescription to me for the last 2 or 3 years. I don't use everyday, except when I feel overwhelmed, which now with the tren is more often then not. I get what you saying, and makes complete sense...but, I am a bit of an asshole, I started this, and wanna see it through...it's another 3 weeks or so of the tren...

well good luck then.

Empire wrote: well good luck then.

That is just about as much as one can help

Oupa wrote:

Empire wrote: well good luck then.

That is just about as much as one can help

Have you agree with you on that one, at this stage luck is about as useful as a hug in a brothel at this point with the side effects he is having..

Empire is it not better to start slowly with Tren E and increase the dose as your gets used to the compound instead of hitting your body hard right away with Tren Ace. Also pinning every day is a pain in the arse.I really like using Parabolan @ two to three Amps a week.

NOS wrote: Empire is it not better to start slowly with Tren E and increase the dose as your gets used to the compound instead of hitting your body hard right away with Tren Ace. Also pinning every day is a pain in the arse.I really like using Parabolan @ two to three Amps a week.

Man, tren is not testosterone nor does it have any remotely physiological affinity.

Anyone with an iota of history of depression/anxiety etc, has no business taking it because simply put it is not worth the risk and to some extent guaranteed sides.

Unless you are a single man, that has no interaction with the world around you, I think the risks are not only to oneself.

You have a spouse, children etc? Important qs.
I just don't get why a recreational athlete would fuck with this compound unless they know what they are doing.

Problem is that now you've been on urbanol and alzam for 2 to 3 years you can't cope with stress without them. Tren makes everything more stressful already. That shit is insanely addictive if taken long term. Your body has become dependant on the benzos to prevent anxiety. When last did you try and go a month without them? Fuck the tren. Mental health is #1.

NOS wrote: Empire is it not better to start slowly with Tren E and increase the dose as your gets used to the compound instead of hitting your body hard right away with Tren Ace. Also pinning every day is a pain in the arse.I really like using Parabolan @ two to three Amps a week.

as with any anabolic cycle, start slowly then increase. there is a very very intelligent man on the internet named Broderick Chavez, he likens an anabolic cycle to an elevator. no matter how hard you press the button (dose) or how frequently you push the button (injection frequency) it is not going to speed up the process. it is still going to take a couple of weeks to feel the effects of 200mg or 600mg or 1000mg. the difference is the higher the starting dose the more oxidative stress and side effects you are going to get FOR NO BENEFIT!

another intelligent coach John Jewitt also says similar, he suggests starting a cycle at 200-300mg of test and 200mg of Primobolan for example, or even masteron E, then in 4 to 5 weeks increase gear by 100mg to 200mg, then increase food and training volume etc.

Broderick doesn't like using more than 3mg of test per kg for the whole cycle. And I must admit I like that approach as a higher dose of test generally gives you estrogen sides etc and other side effects. You want to the lowest dose possible to get the best results. the minute you go up in dose and you get side effects and need to take drugs to combat those side effects the dosing it too high.

MPhilosopher wrote:

NOS wrote: Empire is it not better to start slowly with Tren E and increase the dose as your gets used to the compound instead of hitting your body hard right away with Tren Ace. Also pinning every day is a pain in the arse.I really like using Parabolan @ two to three Amps a week.

Man, tren is not testosterone nor does it have any remotely physiological affinity.

Anyone with an iota of history of depression/anxiety etc, has no business taking it because simply put it is not worth the risk and to some extent guaranteed sides.

Unless you are a single man, that has no interaction with the world around you, I think the risks are not only to oneself.

You have a spouse, children etc? Important qs.
I just don't get why a recreational athlete would fuck with this compound unless they know what they are doing.

I completely and full-heartedly agree with this. +1

I agree with you Muscleaddict Mental health and body health is vital. Tren is not for most people and their are other compounds that will work extremely well without nasty side effects
MPholospher have you used Tren?

Muscleaddict wrote: Problem is that now you've been on urbanol and alzam for 2 to 3 years you can't cope with stress without them. Tren makes everything more stressful already. That shit is insanely addictive if taken long term. Your body has become dependant on the benzos to prevent anxiety. When last did you try and go a month without them? Fuck the tren. Mental health is #1.

I used urbanol quite sparingly to be honest, maybe once or twice a week max, the alzam only when I can't switch off at night, which is maybe 2 or 3 times a month. It's only now on tren that I am taking it everyday to contain myself.

Bud, we have had enough chats, from the onset of your blood pressure to your mental health. I have not taken Tren for well over 10 years, you have no need for it. A little bit of a test, a sense of well being, getting yourself fit, getting off those benzos, being there for your family, mentally and physically, that's about as good as it gets. Continue your growth as a person, not trying to squeeze out some muscle from Tren. Do you know how catabolic your body becomes with stress and anxiety. So rather than trying to use the wrong tool for the job, get your body is tip top shape and you will pack on and keep more muscle than by a few weeks of a drug. And like MA pointed out, it's very addictive and you going to have rebound effects when you stop. Just keep it simple bud.

00pump wrote: Bud, we have had enough chats, from the onset of your blood pressure to your mental health. I have not taken Tren for well over 10 years, you have no need for it. A little bit of a test, a sense of well being, getting yourself fit, getting off those benzos, being there for your family, mentally and physically, that's about as good as it gets. Continue your growth as a person, not trying to squeeze out some muscle from Tren. Do you know how catabolic your body becomes with stress and anxiety. So rather than trying to use the wrong tool for the job, get your body is tip top shape and you will pack on and keep more muscle than by a few weeks of a drug. And like MA pointed out, it's very addictive and you going to have rebound effects when you stop. Just keep it simple bud.

As always, thank you for the wise words.