Anavar or Tbol

Hey Guys

I am currently doing 200mg test a week for trt.

Thought I might as well add some orals for a few weeks (4 - to increase the gains a bit.

Was thinking anavar or tbol, as research indicated that they are the "safest" with the leanest gains. Would not mind dropping a bit of body fat though.

What are your thoughts?

Any other compound maybe like anadrol?

Apoc21 wrote: Hey Guys

I am currently doing 200mg test a week for trt.

Thought I might as well add some orals for a few weeks (4 - to increase the gains a bit.

Was thinking anavar or tbol, as research indicated that they are the "safest" with the leanest gains. Would not mind dropping a bit of body fat though.

What are your thoughts?

Any other compound maybe like anadrol?

What are you trying to achieve ?
Why not run a SARM?
Anavar for 4 weeks is a bit short, rather do it for around 6.

Dont know much about SARMS.

I want achieve the holy grail. gain muscle and burn fat LOL

Message posted a bit weird, wanted to run it 4 to 8 weeks

Apoc21 wrote: Dont know much about SARMS.

I want achieve the holy grail. gain muscle and burn fat LOL

Message posted a bit weird, wanted to run it 4 to 8 weeks

I would read up on SARMs a bit as that would help you make an educated guess. Anavar 60mg a day for 6 weeks would really help with anything you trying to achieve if everything else is on par. I am looking forward to using it later this year. I am not interested right now as it's winter and my shirt will be on so I prefer not to put anything through my liver that I don't need to.

What do you bloods look like on 200mg a week of Test? For most people that's way off the charts for TRT? How long have you been on TRT?

00pump wrote:

Apoc21 wrote: Dont know much about SARMS.

I want achieve the holy grail. gain muscle and burn fat LOL

Message posted a bit weird, wanted to run it 4 to 8 weeks

I would read up on SARMs a bit as that would help you make an educated guess. Anavar 60mg a day for 6 weeks would really help with anything you trying to achieve if everything else is on par. I am looking forward to using it later this year. I am not interested right now as it's winter and my shirt will be on so I prefer not to put anything through my liver that I don't need to.

What do you bloods look like on 200mg a week of Test? For most people that's way off the charts for TRT? How long have you been on TRT?

I have been on since January.

so I have not done follow up bloods as yet.

Currently what I am taking is

200mg test a week
Proviron 20mg a day (SHBG) was high
DHEA (for mood and memory)

With the whole HD saga I am most likely dropping DHEA once I have finished my current supply and see how its going. if my mood decreases and memory drops I will find another source for it.

Thought I will take the proviron till I get my next bloods done. Thought about doing it around 6 months.

So thats why I thought if I can pop in some Anavar for the next few weeks. Get a boost while I am taking all the other stuffs. why not.

Apoc21 wrote:

00pump wrote:

Apoc21 wrote: Dont know much about SARMS.

I want achieve the holy grail. gain muscle and burn fat LOL

Message posted a bit weird, wanted to run it 4 to 8 weeks

I would read up on SARMs a bit as that would help you make an educated guess. Anavar 60mg a day for 6 weeks would really help with anything you trying to achieve if everything else is on par. I am looking forward to using it later this year. I am not interested right now as it's winter and my shirt will be on so I prefer not to put anything through my liver that I don't need to.

What do you bloods look like on 200mg a week of Test? For most people that's way off the charts for TRT? How long have you been on TRT?

I have been on since January.

so I have not done follow up bloods as yet.

Currently what I am taking is

200mg test a week
Proviron 20mg a day (SHBG) was high
DHEA (for mood and memory)

With the whole HD saga I am most likely dropping DHEA once I have finished my current supply and see how its going. if my mood decreases and memory drops I will find another source for it.

Thought I will take the proviron till I get my next bloods done. Thought about doing it around 6 months.

So thats why I thought if I can pop in some Anavar for the next few weeks. Get a boost while I am taking all the other stuffs. why not.

Are you 'self' administering the Test? Because 200mg a week is normally over the top for TRT for majority of people, that is why I need to see the bloods. Did you check your DHEA before you decided to start using it, that is a horrible drug if you don't have low DHEA levels.

When you initially start TRT you need to check you bloods after 3 months and then verify if your dose is to low or high. No Dr should start you at 200mg a week, 100mg is a good starting dose, I bet if you using 'pharma test for TRT', which I'm guessing you are since it's a Dr who prescribed it, your levels are going to be off the chart and not where TRT is supposed to have you sit.

But again, based on your question, 6 weeks of Anavar will give you great results.

00pump wrote:
Are you 'self' administering the Test? Because 200mg a week is normally over the top for TRT for majority of people, that is why I need to see the bloods. Did you check your DHEA before you decided to start using it, that is a horrible drug if you don't have low DHEA levels.

When you initially start TRT you need to check you bloods after 3 months and then verify if your dose is to low or high. No Dr should start you at 200mg a week, 100mg is a good starting dose, I bet if you using 'pharma test for TRT', which I'm guessing you are since it's a Dr who prescribed it, your levels are going to be off the chart and not where TRT is supposed to have you sit.

But again, based on your question, 6 weeks of Anavar will give you great results.

Original TRT post

Above is my original TRT post. was with a "dodgy" doc, and I switched to self administration.

00pump wrote: 6 weeks of Anavar will give you great results.

Great thanks.

So you suggest 60mg per day?

Will that be 20mg morning, lunch and evening, or all at once?

Apoc21 wrote:

00pump wrote: 6 weeks of Anavar will give you great results.

Great thanks.

So you suggest 60mg per day?

Will that be 20mg morning, lunch and evening, or all at once?

Oh that post..

Yes 20mg morning, lunch and evening. I love Anavar, one of my favorite steroids.

00pump wrote:

Apoc21 wrote:

00pump wrote: 6 weeks of Anavar will give you great results.

Great thanks.

So you suggest 60mg per day?

Will that be 20mg morning, lunch and evening, or all at once?

Oh that post..

Yes 20mg morning, lunch and evening. I love Anavar, one of my favorite steroids.

Great Thanks. Appreciate it.

00pump wrote:

Apoc21 wrote:

00pump wrote:

Apoc21 wrote: Dont know much about SARMS.

I want achieve the holy grail. gain muscle and burn fat LOL

Message posted a bit weird, wanted to run it 4 to 8 weeks

I would read up on SARMs a bit as that would help you make an educated guess. Anavar 60mg a day for 6 weeks would really help with anything you trying to achieve if everything else is on par. I am looking forward to using it later this year. I am not interested right now as it's winter and my shirt will be on so I prefer not to put anything through my liver that I don't need to.

What do you bloods look like on 200mg a week of Test? For most people that's way off the charts for TRT? How long have you been on TRT?

I have been on since January.

so I have not done follow up bloods as yet.

Currently what I am taking is

200mg test a week
Proviron 20mg a day (SHBG) was high
DHEA (for mood and memory)

With the whole HD saga I am most likely dropping DHEA once I have finished my current supply and see how its going. if my mood decreases and memory drops I will find another source for it.

Thought I will take the proviron till I get my next bloods done. Thought about doing it around 6 months.

So thats why I thought if I can pop in some Anavar for the next few weeks. Get a boost while I am taking all the other stuffs. why not.

Are you 'self' administering the Test? Because 200mg a week is normally over the top for TRT for majority of people, that is why I need to see the bloods. Did you check your DHEA before you decided to start using it, that is a horrible drug if you don't have low DHEA levels.

When you initially start TRT you need to check you bloods after 3 months and then verify if your dose is to low or high. No Dr should start you at 200mg a week, 100mg is a good starting dose, I bet if you using 'pharma test for TRT', which I'm guessing you are since it's a Dr who prescribed it, your levels are going to be off the chart and not where TRT is supposed to have you sit.

But again, based on your question, 6 weeks of Anavar will give you great results.

Hello Pump,
I am also on 200 mg test a week for TRT and the reason therefore is because we are exercising as bodybuilders if it was purely for keep basic functions up then 100 mg will work.

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00pump wrote: I love Anavar, one of my favorite steroids.

Any specific lab you can recommend?

Liquid Pharma any good?

Apoc21 wrote: ?

Liquid Pharma any good?

Best orals

Oupa wrote:

Apoc21 wrote: ?

Liquid Pharma any good?

Best orals

Awesome dankie Oupa.

Just ordered my stock. Going to start after Easter weekend as I might have a beer here and there on Easter and read that is a big no no on orals.

Hi Everyone,


I was hoping for some advise on the usage of Anavar & Winstrol simultaneously -

Firstly is it possible to use these 2 together
Secondly if it is okay, do I keep to the regular dosage of the individual products.

Thanks.

Hi Guys

my stats

1.87m
105kg
23% fat

So I have been on anavar for 2 weeks now. 60mg per day (morning, lunch and evening) as pump suggested.

I am getting decent pumps, and a bit of strength, but not really something massive. no weight change, no noticeable physique changes etc.

Does that sound about right? feels like I should be seeing more results... or am I just impatient again?

Doing 200mg test cyp per week.

One of my friends suggested upping the dose to 80mg per day, 1 in the morning and the rest 2-3 hours before training.

What are your thoughts?

Also my diet is pretty clean. no junk, decent meals etc.

My opinion. .. your body fat is too high. Even though anavar does give that dry lean look, it does that to people who are already on their way to being lean with the lower bf. At 23% you're still a long way off from the leaning benefits to be seen from anavar but the strength and pumps are exactly what you should be experiencing right now.

Personally I would have stopped the anavar and just carried on with the test. During the next 4-6 weeks focus on good eating and dropping bf without the anavar. Once it's low enough at least 15% then consider using it again and you'll notice the leaning effects.

Anavar is expensive and I think it's a waste of money having used at 23% bf.

Also when I say focus on diet I don't mean only clean, but eat for a calorie deficit in order to get the fat burning.

Good luck bud.

What is your break down of calories consumed in a day?

Thanks for the replies.

@Hoosain, I have been eating in a deficit since Jan and the weight is not dropping. That is why I leaned towards anavar.

@pump, was in a big deficit for a while, eating like 1500 calories max a day. and that was on a day where I ate a lot. I tried pushing my intake up a bit as I thought maybe I was in a deficit for too long.

I dont track TOO intense, but did a proper track yesterday,

1858 calories

114g carbs
80g fat
155g protein

Then I track my exercises as well, on average I burn 1000 calories per session in the gym, 5 days a week. with roughly 15min cardio after weights.

This week I started doing 30-45min cardio in the morning and then weights in the evening.

Should I maybe consider adding something like GW/Cardarine ?

I could be wrong, but it looks like you're in too much of a deficit my friend.

Have you calculated your caloric needs yet?

Hoosain wrote: I could be wrong, but it looks like you're in too much of a deficit my friend.

Have you calculated your caloric needs yet?

Base rate is +- 2100

What do you guys think about the following dosage?

One of my friends suggested upping the dose to 80mg per day, 1 in the morning and the rest 2-3 hours before training.

and should I try GW?

Apoc21 wrote:

Hoosain wrote: I could be wrong, but it looks like you're in too much of a deficit my friend.

Have you calculated your caloric needs yet?

Base rate is +- 2100

Your BMR (which you are working off) is just the minimum your body requires to function without shutting down and getting sick. It is nowhere close to your caloric needs to maintain current. That is about 3600 calories at your size.

You must have messed up your metabolism by being in an extreme calorie deficit for too long. I guarantee you are not burning close to 1000 calories in your gym sessions with your metabolism like this. You should be on about 2300 calories a day for fat loss. With only one or 2 days around 2000 per week max, and even that seems too low.

You've probably become insulin and leptin resistant, and have some nutrient deficiencies now from starving yourself bro. It will take a while for your metabolism to go back to normal.

Your body will always adapt to any extreme diet and results will STOP. Also, when cutting calories, do not lower protein intake. You will strip off all your muscle. Cut from your fats/carbs only. Your macros should be tweaked. Fat under 50g/day, protein 2g per kg of body weight. Carbs adjusted to reach your target caloric intake which should be much higher.

Fix your metabolism before you add any more drugs. Eat more, with your most calorie dense meals around your workouts.

Muscleaddict wrote: Your BMR (which you are working off) is just the minimum your body requires to function without shutting down and getting sick. It is nowhere close to your caloric needs to maintain current. That is about 3600 calories at your size.

You must have messed up your metabolism by being in an extreme calorie deficit for too long. I guarantee you are not burning close to 1000 calories in your gym sessions with your metabolism like this. You should be on about 2300 calories a day for fat loss. With only one or 2 days around 2000 per week max, and even that seems too low.

You've probably become insulin and leptin resistant, and have some nutrient deficiencies now from starving yourself bro. It will take a while for your metabolism to go back to normal.

Your body will always adapt to any extreme diet and results will STOP. Also, when cutting calories, do not lower protein intake. You will strip off all your muscle. Cut from your fats/carbs only. Your macros should be tweaked. Fat under 50g/day, protein 2g per kg of body weight. Carbs adjusted to reach your target caloric intake which should be much higher.

Fix your metabolism before you add any more drugs. Eat more, with your most calorie dense meals around your workouts.

I agree and do think I f...ed something up.

As mentioned previously I am trying to up my intake but its hard getting there currently. How will I know if my metabolism is good again?