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06 Oct 2018 17:37 #217840
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Please be so kind to advise on my first cycle below:
Stats:
31, 83kg, 1,78m, 13%bf
Training: 4 Years consistently
Calorie Intake: 350-450 above maintenance
Water intake: 4 - 5 L/d
Supporting supps: Multi, Vit C, Vit D, Zinc, Curcumin, ALA, Essentiale Extreme, Joint support, Omega 3, Creatine Mono, preworkout
Cycle:
Week 1 - 12: PGW Test E 500mg/week
Week 1 - 5: LP Tbol 60mg p/d
Wait 30 Days after last Test pin:
PCT:
Week 17 - 18: LP Clomid 100mg/d
Week 18 -21: LP Nolva 20mg/d
Week 18 - 21: LP Aromasin 20mg eod
Questions:
1) Would it be better to run Aromasin at 20mg ED or EOD during pct?
2) I'd like to add an AI from the start of the cycle, all the way through till the end of PCT. I was thinking of adding Aromasin dosed, 20mg EOD or E3D. Alternatively, Adex EOD/E3D at 0.5mg.
Which would be better?
3)Would dbol be better at 30mg/d compared to Tbol? Quality gains would be the goal.
4) What are the cost associated to get a proper blood test done for cycle needs? Just a rough estimate
*Please note that I'll be cutting down to 10% bodyfat before starting this cycle, planned for next year March.
Advice welcome and appreciated
Dankie
Stats:
31, 83kg, 1,78m, 13%bf
Training: 4 Years consistently
Calorie Intake: 350-450 above maintenance
Water intake: 4 - 5 L/d
Supporting supps: Multi, Vit C, Vit D, Zinc, Curcumin, ALA, Essentiale Extreme, Joint support, Omega 3, Creatine Mono, preworkout
Cycle:
Week 1 - 12: PGW Test E 500mg/week
Week 1 - 5: LP Tbol 60mg p/d
Wait 30 Days after last Test pin:
PCT:
Week 17 - 18: LP Clomid 100mg/d
Week 18 -21: LP Nolva 20mg/d
Week 18 - 21: LP Aromasin 20mg eod
Questions:
1) Would it be better to run Aromasin at 20mg ED or EOD during pct?
2) I'd like to add an AI from the start of the cycle, all the way through till the end of PCT. I was thinking of adding Aromasin dosed, 20mg EOD or E3D. Alternatively, Adex EOD/E3D at 0.5mg.
Which would be better?
3)Would dbol be better at 30mg/d compared to Tbol? Quality gains would be the goal.
4) What are the cost associated to get a proper blood test done for cycle needs? Just a rough estimate
*Please note that I'll be cutting down to 10% bodyfat before starting this cycle, planned for next year March.
Advice welcome and appreciated
Dankie
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06 Oct 2018 19:48 #217841
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Good choice for a first cycle. Looks good.
Aromasin in PCT go 20mg everyday. On Cycle do Aromasin 20mg Monday 20mg Wednesday 20mg Friday start of with that you can always up it to every 2days if estrogen bothers you
Aromasin in PCT go 20mg everyday. On Cycle do Aromasin 20mg Monday 20mg Wednesday 20mg Friday start of with that you can always up it to every 2days if estrogen bothers you
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06 Oct 2018 20:14 #217842
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Dankie Rooibul
Ek het besluit om die Dbol vir die volgende cycle te hou en Tbol/Test E eers n go te gee vir my eerste cycle, is maar bietjie bang vir dbol en al die gyno stories wat ek hoor.
Na my Pct klaar is wil ek die volgende hardloop:3 Maande op Male Hybrid Ripped gestack met Mk-677. Sal dit n goeie idee wees of moet ek eers n paar maande wag voordat ek dit begin of het jy dalk n ander voorstel?
Dankie
Ek het besluit om die Dbol vir die volgende cycle te hou en Tbol/Test E eers n go te gee vir my eerste cycle, is maar bietjie bang vir dbol en al die gyno stories wat ek hoor.
Na my Pct klaar is wil ek die volgende hardloop:3 Maande op Male Hybrid Ripped gestack met Mk-677. Sal dit n goeie idee wees of moet ek eers n paar maande wag voordat ek dit begin of het jy dalk n ander voorstel?
Dankie
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07 Oct 2018 06:16 #217844
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I agree in principle with Rooi Bull,on the Aromasin however you really should run bloods to know where to dose your AI otherwise it’s a real guessing game. Once you have run many cycles you can feel what is the right level. I know for me if my estrogen is too high I want to sleep all the time and have zero sex drive. It it’s too low I can’t sleep, I have sex drive but can’t keep it up. Morning wood is a good sign things are in the right range for me. Regardless, I still do bloods once a month. As for the cost it depends on what you run. If you simply run Test and E2 it will cost you around R700. If you start adding in things like hematocrit, RBC, cholesterols, thyroid panel, C-reactive protein for measure of inflammation and glucose tests (HBA1C), liver function etc, all of which are good to run to establish your current health pre cycle and for a baseline for future comparison then you are in for about R6k (in this case go to your doctor to get a physical and ask for any of these tests to be included that they have not, (they may not test for sex hormones due to your age - insist). Medical aid would pay for this - just make sure you get a copy of the result.
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07 Oct 2018 07:14 #217846
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Ek sal se doen bloed toetse voor die cycle om te kyk waar le jou free en total testosterone en fsh en Lh sodat jy weet waar na toe om te recover. Dan so 8 weke na pct toets jy weer en kyk of jy recover het as n reel as jy dan nog nie voldoende recover het nie moet dan niks gebruik wat suppressive is nie. Dan sal ek bly by Mk677 GW501516 en iets soos TNT se Anabic Beast as jy nog nie helemal revor het nie
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07 Oct 2018 09:12 #217847
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Thanks Morrgear and Rooibul.
I'll most definitely have my bloods run pre, mid and post cycle. 4 weeks into cycle too soon to have bloods run? Until I have mid cycle bloods done I'll just play it by how I feel and adjust AI accordingly by tracking symptoms.
I'll most definitely have my bloods run pre, mid and post cycle. 4 weeks into cycle too soon to have bloods run? Until I have mid cycle bloods done I'll just play it by how I feel and adjust AI accordingly by tracking symptoms.
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07 Oct 2018 09:30 #217848
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Do bloods 6weeks in
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07 Oct 2018 17:30 #217850
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Thanks Rooibul, noted.
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08 Oct 2018 10:08 #217853
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20mg Aromasin per day could definitely drop your estrogen to lower than what it should be, but short term for PCT it does not matter unless you are having unpleasant side effects. The lower E2 levels will only help boost your hypothalamus' LH and FSH response to the clomid and nolvadex which is a good thing for recovery.
If you are not using HCG during PCT then 20mg EOD is fine but I would not worry about 20mg/day unless you have sore joints, etc.
If you are not using HCG during PCT then 20mg EOD is fine but I would not worry about 20mg/day unless you have sore joints, etc.
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08 Oct 2018 19:27 #217861
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Thank you MA, I'll keep that in mind.
I'll post a pic when I start, also once the cycle has ended.
I'll post a pic when I start, also once the cycle has ended.
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